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walsh111

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
good evening i am 58 years old and recently got called into surgery for an mot, the doctor told me i had high sugar levels.
he did a test that revealed my blood sugar was 90, which according to the doctor was sky high i am now taking tablets and have
to go back in a month ,My question is could i be potentially type one? or will the tablets keep me type two. I have made drastic changes these last two weeks no Alcohol [i was a heavy drinker] eat breakfast cereal, No white bread no sugar products also i am not to much overweight 5ft 10 and 11 stone any help and information would be gratefully received thank you ste
 
Hello @walsh111 and Welcome to the Forum :). Tagging @daisy1 who will provide you with some basic information that all new members receive on joining the Forum.
 
Welcome @walsh111 :)

Did you lose any weight before you were diagnosed? Type 1 normally causes weight loss. It's an auto immune condition and different from Type 2.

It's possible to be Type 2 and slim :)

If you have concerns about your diabetes type, there are additional tests you could request.
 
If you are type 2 then cutting back on carbohydrates should help to lower your blood glucose levels quickly.
Cutting out foods made from grains, sweet or starchy fruits and vegetables, and checking progress by taking your blood glucose level before and two hours after meals should make a big difference if you pinpoint specific foods which cause spikes and reduce or eliminate them.
 
@walsh111

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here, as mentioned above, is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope this will be helpful to you. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to answer.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
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Hi. It's possible you are late onset T1 but to help decide that you would need the two tests, GAD and c-peptide. Yes, losing weight unexpectedly before diagnosis is one pointer as it results from the body starting to burn fat thru lack of insulin for the carbs. Metformin may be prescribed which helps everyone a bit. The drugs beyond that do depend a bit on whether you suffer a lack of insulin (T1) or too much (T2). If you have a low-carb diet, lose weight but your blood sugar doesn't really come down, then T1 is more likely.
 
Usually people get type 1 quite young. Type 2 is usually older people, often who are overweight. I was diagnosed type 2 aged 63 and given Metformin. My HbA1C was 99 and blood glucose was 13.1. The first thing I did was to look carefully at the ingredients of things I was eating. I discovered that my Jordan's Country Crisp breakfast cereal was 24% sugar, so I stopped eating that. I also stopped drinking fruit juice as that is high in sugar.

When I saw the diabetes nurse about a month later my blood glucose was down to 9.8, which is still high. I got an Acu-Chek Mobile blood glucose meter and began to regularly check my blood sugars. I discovered the Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) diet and begin to cut out a lot of carbs, stopping to eat bread, cereals, rice, pasta. I ate more fat including cheese, full fat Greek yoghurt, avacodos and nuts. After a few weeks my fasting blood sugars dropped until they were under 7. Drugs like Metformin do help a little and can help lower blood sugars by about 1 point (e.g. down from 10 to 9), but you need to eat less carbs if you really want to lower it further. Exercise can help burn off carbs, but it is better not to overload with them in the first place.
 
@Art Of Flowers That used to be thought the case - that Type 1 was a young person's condition - but recent studies have shown it's fairly evenly spaced across the whole age range :)

Our PM is a good example of an older Type 1 :)
 
The OP joined this site back in 2011. He reported slightly high blood sugar levels after a checkup showed he was pre-diabetic. See http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/hello.25864/

Looks like he then started to drink less and have a better diet, but has subsequently reverted back to his previous eating and drinking habits and is now full on diabetic. If he has been given Metformin, it will indicate the doctor thinks it is type 2. If blood sugars drop over the next few weeks due to better diet, then it will confirm type 2. Otherwise type 1 is a possibility.
 
My comment wasn't to the OP - just in response to your claim that Type 1 usually develops in young people. That has now shown not to be true, as Type 1 incidence is spread evenly across all age ranges :)
 
My question is could i be potentially type one? or will the tablets keep me type two.

You could potentially be T1 or LADA (Latent Autoimmune Diabetes of Adulthood) but no amount of tablets will stop that, if you are T1/LADA, then you are.

At your age the vast majority of those diagnosed with diabetes will be T2 although a very small percentage may later be re-assigned as LADA. There are tests that can show if you have the autoimmune type of diabetes but these are not generally carried out unless there is a reason to suspect it, if there is a history of T1 in your direct family line perhaps but otherwise the odds are strongly in favour of you being a T2.

What is it that makes you suspect T1/ LADA?
 
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You could potentially be T1 or LADA (Latent Autoimmune Diabetes of Adulthood) but no amount of tablets will stop that, if you are T1/LADA, then you are.

At your age the vast majority of those diagnosed with diabetes will be T2 although a very small percentage may later be re-assigned as LADA. There are tests that can show if you have the autoimmune type of diabetes but these are not generally carried out unless there is a reason to suspect it, if there is a history of T1 in your direct family line perhaps but otherwise the odds are strongly in favour of you being a T2.

What is it that makes you suspect T1/ LADA?
many thanks everyone for valuable information. what has threw me is the reading of 90 from my blood test
 
many thanks everyone for valuable information. what has threw me is the reading of 90 from my blood test


Assuming its an HbA1c test result 90's high but it is measured in mmol/mol not mmol/L as the day to day tests are measured in. I was diagnosed with an HbA1c of 117.5.

I dont know why they changed them as the old measurements would have been 117.5 = 12.9% and 90 = 10.4% now doesnt 10.4% sound much better than 90? It isnt though its exactly the same just a different scale.

To further confuse things its hard to calculate (mol) moles into (L) Litres its all to do with density and volume I think, TBH it all goes over my head which is why I dont understand why they changed it and why lots of GP's quote both figures still, mine do anyway. Im rambling now but 90 is not unusual to be diagnosed with so try not to get too stressed by it all.

This page has more info on the new and old systems http://www.diabetes.co.uk/hba1c-units-converter.html

More here https://patient.info/doctor/glycated-haemoglobin-hba1c
 
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