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Do you think diabetes is worse with poverty

ringi said:
But lots of studies also show that people who make less effort with life or are not educated or have other health issues are more likely to be poor. So is it being poor that results in worse outcomes with diabetes, or something else?
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Poverty is linked with many other risk factors, - depression and other mental health difficulties, domestic violence and other forms of abuse, multiple chronic health difficulties, insecure housing, etc are all much more prevelant in poor areas.
There are other more structural problems assosciated with poverty that also impact very negatively on both health outcomes and the ability to make proactive health decisions. Poor areas are often very badly served in terms of the infrastructure many of us take for granted - shops, transport, leisure facilities etc
I worked in London most of my working life across a number of geographical areas, but always in the childrens social care / childrens mental health area of practice. One area I worked in was a large estate which was marked by significant absolute and relative poverty in what is already a poor Borough. Some of the very many challenges to following a ‘healthy’ life style in that area included 1) no shops other than a corner supermarket which sold no fruit or veg and an off licence 2) most supermarket delivery schemes would not cover the area due to crime levels and even if they would most people would not have been able to afford the delivery charges 3) very poor transport links 4) no sports / leisure facilities (oh but then again, there were 4 pubs)
 
Poverty serves a person before falling into diabetes because famine is good.
A person with diabetes needs more than $ 10 a day alone.

Regardless of who has five people in the family
This may be easy for someone who lives in Europe and has work

But what about a person whose income does not exceed seven dollars a day and sometimes does not find it available
 
My weekly groceries bill has gone DOWN significantly since going low carb and eating more fresh veg, as I was forced to cook all of our own food, and started to shop at Aldi. I got one set of tenants who are on benefits, they spend more on food then we do now, as they buy lots of snacks and ready meals etc.
 
I expect the real issue with poverty and Type2 in the UK is people have such low "self-worth" that they are not motivated to discover for themselves how to best look after their health. We all know that the first step we had to take was to believe that the experts (NHS eatwell plate) should be ignored and to believe it is possible to take control of our own health.

There is a reason way the GPs who get the best results with "low carb" start with "hope" before taking about diet.....
 
I do not fully agree with anyone who says that poverty is not a reason not to adjust diabetes
Someone who has the latest technology to measure diabetes levels every hour VS someone does not have to measure once a month
A person chooses what he eats whatever the price VS A person is forced to eat anything at home
An economically comfortable person and an uncomfortable person
 
We must allow for the fact that many, many people do not know of the 'alternative' ways to address T2, whether they are rich, poor, ill educated or not. I stumbled upon DCUK quite by accident, if I hadn't I would now be on an insulin regime and eating to the dogmatic diet pushed by the Health Authorities.
Sometimes it boils down to knowing the right questions to ask and sometimes it is a matter of sheer luck.

If I did not own a device to connect to the internet or could not afford broadband subscriptions how different would life be like now?
 
Guzzler said:
We must allow for the fact that many, many people do not know of the 'alternative' ways to address T2, whether they are rich, poor, ill educated or not. I stumbled upon DCUK quite by accident, if I hadn't I would now be on an insulin regime and eating to the dogmatic diet pushed by the Health Authorities.
Sometimes it boils down to knowing the right questions to ask and sometimes it is a matter of sheer luck.

If I did not own a device to connect to the internet or could not afford broadband subscriptions how different would life be like now?
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Exactly

There is no place for the poor in our planet to go in peace
 
eggs11 said:
My weekly groceries bill has gone up significantly since going low carb and eating more fresh veg - having said that I'm popping to the corner shop way less now as used to do top-up shops for pre-made pasta salads for lunch and snacks several times a week, and those trips were adding a lot of 'hidden' costs to my food bill.
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You may find after a while, things settle a bit. Initially, I found myself buying things not in our store cupboards, but once there, pantry items (like spices for example) tend to last a while, and many start on expensive cuts of meat, whereas longer term we learn to love belly port, shin of been, flat ribs ad so on, which tend to be much cheaper..

My OH does a wonderful slow cooked pork belly roast. We both love it, but from the excellent local butcher our most recent "joint" was just over £3. I the same shop our sirloin steaks were over £11, but it just goes to show deliciousness needn't break the bank.
 
I think poverty varies hugely across the world, and even within an individual country.

@hichamgsm can you remind me which country you live in? I know that you have a very different health system from me (I am in the UK) and with children in the family you will also have a very different set of priorities for the household budget.

My own experience of eating differently is that yes, avoiding cheap carbs pushes up the price, but then avoiding processed foods brings it down again. I don't enjoy alcohol, don't smoke, and don't have children or other dependent family members living at home. So my experience of poverty/low income would be totally different from someone who has those in their lives.

I really dislike the way 'poverty' is used as a catch-all phrase to group people into 'castes', with associated implications of education, intelligence and health - yet I am uncomfortably aware that these assumptions exist because there is some statistical evidence for them. Since we are each individuals, not statistics, I try to fight that thinking. And let's face it, the people who bandy the word poverty around (and make sweeping statements on the subject based on their own levels of education and ?intelligence? and media prejudice) are often people who have never experienced it and wouldn't know what it would be like if it came up and bit them on the backside.
 
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Brunneria said:
I think poverty varies hugely across the world, and even within an individual country.

@hichamgsm can you remind me which country you live in? I know that you have a very different health system from me (I am in the UK) and with children in the family you will also have a very different set of priorities for the household budget.

My own experience of eating differently is that yes, avoiding cheap carbs pushes up the price, but then avoiding processed foods brings it down again. I don't enjoy alcohol, don't smoke, and don't have children or other dependent family members living at home. So my experience of poverty/low income would be totally different from someone who has those in their lives.

I really dislike the way 'poverty' is used as a catch-all phrase to group people into 'castes', with associated implications of education, intelligence and health - yet I am uncomfortably aware that these assumptions exist because there is some statistical evidence for them. Since we are each individuals, not statistics, I try to fight that thinking. And let's face it, the people who bandy the word poverty around (and make sweeping statements on the subject based on their own levels of education and ?intelligence? and media prejudice) are often people who have never experienced it and wouldn't know what it would be like if it came up and bit them on the backside.
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Hi
I live in Morocco
But I do not speak for myself, but I mean the poor in general, I am fine
 
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Being poor is associated with higher obesity rates but only when your poverty causes you to eat a highly processed carb/sugary diet. Its got absolutely nothing to do with education or motivation but with your food environment plus your ability to make meals from fresh (access to a kitchen and time to shop and prepare food vs. the £1 menu at the Golden Arches?) and what's available in your supermarket on offer (Boy One Get One Free on chocolate biscuits etc.).
There are diabetics who do well on a high starch and plenty of plants but low fat and no sugar diet and it is possible to get veg cheaply if you stick to in season stuff that's not come from afar or frozen.
Sadly as I am eating high fat, the price of organic butter and coconut oil for my high fat coffee is worse than a Starbucks caramel machiato but to me its worth it.
I lost some vision due to diabetes so I do gt a free bus pass and free prescriptions though!
 
NicoleC1971 said:
I lost some vision due to diabetes so I do gt a free bus pass and free prescriptions though!
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Maybe this is on your planet but some countries wish their citizens death

Maybe this is on your planet but some countries did not I lose my sister on Friday because of diabetes she died in her bed without any treatment
The reason for her husband's poverty was if she had money to go for treatment in the finest hospitals
 
Well, when I was first diagnosed as t2, I would have said yes to poverty being the culprit. Take me for example, in 2014 and prior to this, for years I ate biscuits, sweets, chips, everything bad because it's cheap.
After being on here, I have learnt what I can and can,t eat.
Like most of you are aware, I am on benefits so buying **** was the norm to me.
Fast forward to now, I eat so much better, though in the early days, I would want the best meats like top range.
Now the cheaper off cuts etc are just as good in my eyes. When I do my Asda order online, I always look for the 3 for £10 deals on meat portions.it took me awhile to adjust my money but can now say my fridge size freezer is well stocked of meat put into portions. I have enough meals for 15 meals with meat.
Now I own up and have 2 of the small individual pizzas. Which I have on a very rare treat.
So I budget very well now.
My choice to do food shop online, 1 is it stops me going round the supermarket where I am still weak wild and would buy all naughty stuff and 2 it only costs me £2 on a Tuesday to have my order picked, packed and delivered whereas if I did my weekly shop myself, will cost me £2.30 single on the bus then £12 for a taxi home.
Oh forgot to say, on the day I see my psych, I will then pop into Asda, look at the joints of meat as I like to see what the joints look like before buying, I always look for the joints that are priced down because use by date is that or next day use by. I will buy these, either freeze them or cook, once cold will cut into portions which work out cheap
 
hichamgsm said:
Maybe this is on your planet but some countries wish their citizens death

Maybe this is on your planet but some countries did not I lose my sister on Friday because of diabetes she died in her bed without any treatment
The reason for her husband's poverty was if she had money to go for treatment in the finest hospitals
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My deepest condolences to you and your family at this very sad time. Life is unfair.
 
ringi said:
But lots of studies also show that people who make less effort with life or are not educated or have other health issues are more likely to be poor. So is it being poor that results in worse outcomes with diabetes, or something else?
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Could we have some links to any studies people are referring too? I'd appriciate it. Thanks
 
Strongly agree. The test strips, the drugs and all the materials are very costly in my country. I test myself once a day.
 
Our food in my country are majorly carbohydrates
 
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