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nsh2111

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
So, i was 6.5 this morning. i woke up, had some tea with milk and then i went to play tennis for an hr.

i came back and checked, its shot up to 7.5

whyyyyy??

anyone know? is it because my liver has stored glucogen and its releasing them while i was playing tennis? how long till liver runs out of this option?
 
Dawn Phenomena can raise bg levels. Excercise, for some people can raise bg levels.

If your liver stopped dumping you would die. The problem is that in most people with T2 the liver dumps a little too much and for too long. Once the liver empties of excess fat storage and once you achieve better bg management things should improve.
 
thanks @Guzzler.

So much confusion as i thought exercise and low - moderate carb is the way. i have always been active and going to gym.
i wonder if i should go back to old ways of eating what i like, drinking what i like and stop this daily multiple finger pricking :(((

seen no progress for last one week.
 
nsh2111 said:
thanks @Guzzler.

So much confusion as i thought exercise and low - moderate carb is the way. i have always been active and going to gym.
i wonder if i should go back to old ways of eating what i like, drinking what i like and stop this daily multiple finger pricking :(((

seen no progress for last one week.
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Keep at it! It is really worth it in the end. Resistive training such as lifting weights, swimming etc is said by some to be a better option. Some people take longer than others to see improvement but it does and will happen.
 
It’s early days for you, it won’t succeed overnight. You say you eat low to moderate carbs, do you weigh your food accurately and keep a record of the carb count each day? Can you see patterns of numbers relating to your food intake? If your numbers aren’t improving at all you may need to reduce to fewer carbs per day. But remember the first thing in the morning reading is often the last to improve.
 
It sounds like you had a cup of tea and then went out and played tennis. That being the case, your liver has generated the energy needed to deal with the exercise demands and keep your organs running etc, because there was no or insufficient food to fuel the demands being asked. Try eating something with the tea next time perhaps, and see if that makes a difference.
 
Tophat1900 said:
It sounds like you had a cup of tea and then went out and played tennis. That being the case, your liver has generated the energy needed to deal with the exercise demands and keep your organs running etc, because there was no or insufficient food to fuel the demands being asked. Try eating something with the tea next time perhaps, and see if that makes a difference.
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good idea. i will try having something like nuts etc to see if it will improve.

@Rachox, no i dont measure food as i find that impractical with my lifestyle and long term point of view. I remove/do not ear anything carby visibly and things which may contain hidden carbs. Yesterday my entire days worth of meal was

Breakfast (8AM)- tea with milk and 1 hr later two boiled eggs and a coffee black
Lunch (12:45 PM)- turkish lamb/chicken kebab with salad containing cucumber/onion/lettuce etc . no sauce apart from some green chilly sauce
Dinner ( 8 PM) - 150 gram of haloumi cheese with salad leaves


That was all. I didnt go below 6.5 whole day yesterday despite having almost no carbs
 
My readings from when I started tracking are as below. Average is 7.15 mmol/L OR 43 mmol/mol

Date time reading
28/04/2018 08:04 6.5
28/04/2018 12:03 6.4
28/04/2018 14:37 9.5
28/04/2018 19:37 6.3
28/04/2018 21:50 9.3
29/04/2018 06:54 7.2
29/04/2018 09:25 6
29/04/2018 13:05 6.3
29/04/2018 15:30 6.9
29/04/2018 19:44 5.9
29/04/3018 21:33 8.5
30/04/2018 06:20 6.6
30/04/2018 09:30 7.4
30/04/2018 11:50 6.2
30/04/2018 13:50 8.3
30/04/2018 19:30 6.1
30/04/2018 21:55 7.9
01/05/2018 06:00 6.5
01/05/2018 11:38 5.8
01/05/2018 14:35 7.1
01/05/2018 18:30 5.5
01/05/2018 20:45 6.1
01/05/2018 22:30 7.4
02/05/2018 06:20 6.6
02/05/2018 08:40 6.1
02/05/2018 09:50 8.6
02/05/2018 10:55 6.1
02/05/2018 12:00 5.5
02/05/2018 13:20 10.2
02/05/2018 14:35 9.7
02/05/2018 17:15 6.3
02/05/2018 19:30 8
03/05/2018 08:15 7.5
03/05/2018 11:35 8
03/05/2018 12:30 8
03/05/2018 15:30 8.6
03/05/2018 18:30 6.2
03/05/2018 20:35 6.1
03/05/2018 22:00 11.1
04/05/2018 00:00.0 6.6
04/05/2018 07:30 7.1
04/05/2018 11:00 6.8
04/05/2018 14:45 7.2
04/05/2018 16:40 6.5
04/05/2018 19:05 6
05/05/2018 06:40 6.5
05/05/2018 08:45 7.5
 
Hi. My only thought is that you are doing all the right things re the general strategy. The next tweak could be to do weights to help increase your sensitivity to insulin. Also if you are very active you may find, as I do, that you need more fat calories so that your body doesn't push more glucose out from your liver. As you adjust to being a fat burner rather than being glucose dependant, that this will produce lower blood sugars. I would give this approach a try for at least 6 weeks before you consider other options but at least at that stage you will know what does or doesn't work for you! I am adding my 2 pence worth because I am a PT and do lots of exercise myself although I am a type 1 so its different for me although I am sometimes equally frustrated by the randomness of blood sugars!
 
nsh2111 said:
So, i was 6.5 this morning. i woke up, had some tea with milk and then i went to play tennis for an hr.

i came back and checked, its shot up to 7.5

whyyyyy??

anyone know? is it because my liver has stored glucogen and its releasing them while i was playing tennis? how long till liver runs out of this option?
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Your liver is doing exactly what it should do- why would you want it to stop behaving normally?
 
Resurgam said:
Your liver is doing exactly what it should do- why would you want it to stop behaving normally?
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Agreed. Was just miffed at elevated blood sugar numbers.

I do drink protein shake after tennis and I found that after an hr my blood sugar had gone down. Does this mean I can handle protein sugars better or it's just coincidence.

Also, do I have to be ultra low carb for body to use fat as energy or it will use what I eat so if I eat more fat, it will use that for burning.
 
One other possibility is that it is within the error range of your meter. Most of these are accurate to only +/- 15%. So 6.5 - 7.5 is within the tolerance range of many meters including mine.
 
nsh2111 said:
thanks @Guzzler.

So much confusion as i thought exercise and low - moderate carb is the way. i have always been active and going to gym.
i wonder if i should go back to old ways of eating what i like, drinking what i like and stop this daily multiple finger pricking :(((

seen no progress for last one week.
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I do sympathise. Treating diabetes can be a hard row to hoe, with disappointments as well as successes. Don't give up!!! It took a long time for your numbers to get to this level, and it will take a while for you to master this very complex subject and find the best way forward for yourself. You are on the right lines, but maybe the carbs need to go a bit lower, and as Tophat1900 suggests, you may need to modify your approach before exercising. I struggled with this for quite a while. Nowadays I eat a little sugar literally as I go out of the door to exercise, and this never shows up on my meter as a spike, I presume it is all used up before I get home. This may not work for you, but there will be a method to suit you, you just have to experiment and find it.
nsh2111 said:
My readings from when I started tracking are as below. Average is 7.15 mmol/L OR 43 mmol/mol

Date time reading
28/04/2018 08:04 6.5
28/04/2018 12:03 6.4
28/04/2018 14:37 9.5
28/04/2018 19:37 6.3
28/04/2018 21:50 9.3
29/04/2018 06:54 7.2
29/04/2018 09:25 6
29/04/2018 13:05 6.3
29/04/2018 15:30 6.9
29/04/2018 19:44 5.9
29/04/3018 21:33 8.5
30/04/2018 06:20 6.6
30/04/2018 09:30 7.4
30/04/2018 11:50 6.2
30/04/2018 13:50 8.3
30/04/2018 19:30 6.1
30/04/2018 21:55 7.9
01/05/2018 06:00 6.5
01/05/2018 11:38 5.8
01/05/2018 14:35 7.1
01/05/2018 18:30 5.5
01/05/2018 20:45 6.1
01/05/2018 22:30 7.4
02/05/2018 06:20 6.6
02/05/2018 08:40 6.1
02/05/2018 09:50 8.6
02/05/2018 10:55 6.1
02/05/2018 12:00 5.5
02/05/2018 13:20 10.2
02/05/2018 14:35 9.7
02/05/2018 17:15 6.3
02/05/2018 19:30 8
03/05/2018 08:15 7.5
03/05/2018 11:35 8
03/05/2018 12:30 8
03/05/2018 15:30 8.6
03/05/2018 18:30 6.2
03/05/2018 20:35 6.1
03/05/2018 22:00 11.1
04/05/2018 00:00.0 6.6
04/05/2018 07:30 7.1
04/05/2018 11:00 6.8
04/05/2018 14:45 7.2
04/05/2018 16:40 6.5
04/05/2018 19:05 6
05/05/2018 06:40 6.5
05/05/2018 08:45 7.5
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Are these readings fasting first thing in the morning?
 
Alexandra100 said:
I do sympathise. Treating diabetes can be a hard row to hoe, with disappointments as well as successes. Don't give up!!! It took a long time for your numbers to get to this level, and it will take a while for you to master this very complex subject and find the best way forward for yourself. You are on the right lines, but maybe the carbs need to go a bit lower, and as Tophat1900 suggests, you may need to modify your approach before exercising. I struggled with this for quite a while. Nowadays I eat a little sugar literally as I go out of the door to exercise, and this never shows up on my meter as a spike, I presume it is all used up before I get home. This may not work for you, but there will be a method to suit you, you just have to experiment and find it.

Are these readings fasting first thing in the morning?
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The first reading per date is fasting and then throughout the day as I eat . Normally I eat breakfast around 7:30 to 8. Lunch is around 12 and then dinner by 8 or so.
 
nsh2111 said:
So, i was 6.5 this morning. i woke up, had some tea with milk and then i went to play tennis for an hr.

i came back and checked, its shot up to 7.5

whyyyyy??

anyone know? is it because my liver has stored glucogen and its releasing them while i was playing tennis? how long till liver runs out of this option?
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As well as previously Mentioned it could well be the milk that does it. Is seriously affects my BG I have stopped taking milk in coffee and substitute double cream and what a difference it has made. No rise in sugars.
 
Alexandra100 said:
How long before and after eating?
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Usually 10-20 minutes beforfe I start eating and then I take reading at 1 hr and 2 hr mark. Not exact 1/2 hrs but around that time. All the high marks are after 1 hr of feed.
 
nsh2111 said:
Agreed. Was just miffed at elevated blood sugar numbers.

I do drink protein shake after tennis and I found that after an hr my blood sugar had gone down. Does this mean I can handle protein sugars better or it's just coincidence.

Also, do I have to be ultra low carb for body to use fat as energy or it will use what I eat so if I eat more fat, it will use that for burning.
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To achieve effect fat burning you need your body to have run out of glucose for fuel. So I would suggest very low carb to "guarantee" this. The actual level will be different for everyone but 20g per day would seem to ensure fat burning for most people.
 
nsh2111 said:
My readings from when I started tracking are as below. Average is 7.15 mmol/L OR 43 mmol/mol

Date time reading
28/04/2018 08:04 6.5
28/04/2018 12:03 6.4
28/04/2018 14:37 9.5
28/04/2018 19:37 6.3
28/04/2018 21:50 9.3
29/04/2018 06:54 7.2
29/04/2018 09:25 6
29/04/2018 13:05 6.3
29/04/2018 15:30 6.9
29/04/2018 19:44 5.9
29/04/3018 21:33 8.5
30/04/2018 06:20 6.6
30/04/2018 09:30 7.4
30/04/2018 11:50 6.2
30/04/2018 13:50 8.3
30/04/2018 19:30 6.1
30/04/2018 21:55 7.9
01/05/2018 06:00 6.5
01/05/2018 11:38 5.8
01/05/2018 14:35 7.1
01/05/2018 18:30 5.5
01/05/2018 20:45 6.1
01/05/2018 22:30 7.4
02/05/2018 06:20 6.6
02/05/2018 08:40 6.1
02/05/2018 09:50 8.6
02/05/2018 10:55 6.1
02/05/2018 12:00 5.5
02/05/2018 13:20 10.2
02/05/2018 14:35 9.7
02/05/2018 17:15 6.3
02/05/2018 19:30 8
03/05/2018 08:15 7.5
03/05/2018 11:35 8
03/05/2018 12:30 8
03/05/2018 15:30 8.6
03/05/2018 18:30 6.2
03/05/2018 20:35 6.1
03/05/2018 22:00 11.1
04/05/2018 00:00.0 6.6
04/05/2018 07:30 7.1
04/05/2018 11:00 6.8
04/05/2018 14:45 7.2
04/05/2018 16:40 6.5
04/05/2018 19:05 6
05/05/2018 06:40 6.5
05/05/2018 08:45 7.5
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You seem to be having some significant spikes after some of your meals
28April lunch and dinner you are getting a 3 mmol/l jump
02 May lunch a 4.7 mmol spike
Assuming you have a food diary alongside these figures maybe take a look at what you ate and try to reduce carbs to reduce the spikes.
 
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