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Sorry to come to this late feniangirl, I spotted that you’d tagged me in another post earlier but have been off line a lot tonight. I have been dealing with other medical issues over the years and I too am on several other meds apart from my Metformin for Type 2 . I have been eating low carb since my diagnosis in May ‘17 and have lost a shed load of weight. The majority of that was lost between May and Xmas, I never counted a single calorie (sorry @Crocodile !) just carbs, keeping to under 50g/day, and during that time I wasn’t exercising very much at all as I was waiting for an operation on my foot. However during that time my blood pressure improved so (with my GP’s blessing) I stopped one of my two BP meds., one that raised blood sugars! I agree everyone should trawl through all meds info sheets as it is shocking how many can affect blood sugars. I hope you manage to achieve a lowering of your HbA1c feniangirl, you certainly deserve it.
 
Have you thought of exercising while sitting. True, it does not use the biggest group of muscles and so uses less energy, but you feel that you are doing something that will help in the long run. I bought a 'Bodyblade', you can buy them on web auction sites, and they are fine to use second hand because they are hand held and they really do not take up a lot of room. Mine 'lives' in my eyeline to the TV so it is a reminder to use it when I sit down in the evening. I can increase my heart rate quickly and there are various exercises that you can do while sitting to work different groups of muscles.
 
Sorry to come to this late feniangirl, I spotted that you’d tagged me in another post earlier but have been off line a lot tonight. I have been dealing with other medical issues over the years and I too am on several other meds apart from my Metformin for Type 2 . I have been eating low carb since my diagnosis in May ‘17 and have lost a shed load of weight. The majority of that was lost between May and Xmas, I never counted a single calorie (sorry @Crocodile !) just carbs, keeping to under 50g/day, and during that time I wasn’t exercising very much at all as I was waiting for an operation on my foot. However during that time my blood pressure improved so (with my GP’s blessing) I stopped one of my two BP meds., one that raised blood sugars! I agree everyone should trawl through all meds info sheets as it is shocking how many can affect blood sugars. I hope you manage to achieve a lowering of your HbA1c feniangirl, you certainly deserve it.
You may not have physically counted them but by excluding carbs then automatically you are reducing the calorie intake unless they have been replaced calorie for calorie with another energy source.
 
You may not have physically counted them but by excluding carbs then automatically you are reducing the calorie intake unless they have been replaced calorie for calorie with another energy source.
Oh absolutely, I was just so happy to not consciously have to count calories, it came naturally with counting carbs instead.
 
Oh absolutely, I was just so happy to not consciously have to count calories, it came naturally with counting carbs instead.
It's good isn't it. A typical western diet has about half of the total energy from carbs. One of the reasons why low carb diets work so well. I'm not as low carb as some here but still low enough to be counted as low ( about 60g / day ). Straight away this knocked about 5000kJ off my intake. Add in a bit of extra fats and proteins and the magic figure of -2000kJ comes up. In my case I counted them since that's the way my brain is wired. I'm an engineer so I think and process like one. All numbers to me.
Have fun,
Glenn
 
@Crocodile Oh my yes. Very over weight, not from excess eating though, primarily from lack of exercise. I am unable to walk across the room with out severe pain due to sciatica. I believe this too would improve with weight loss, but makes it a slow process. I know the weight loss will help many of my issues, but other than diet, I am unsure what I can physically do. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Hi @feniangirl, At the risk of other side-effects is there a anti-neuropathic medication your GP could prescribe for your sciatica.? The stress of pain may add to your BSLs.
 
I have actually cut calories considerably, but know this will take along time. It is rather difficult to cut calories more on a LCHF diet, although today I managed to stay at 767 calories and 5.95 carbs - this will not be a regular thing. I need to adjust it somewhat, not because I am hungry, but I am quite tired. I have made up my mind to stick with it, especially since I see so many other people, like you, with exactly the same issues and they are doing brilliantly. Congratulations on all the weight lost - keep it up.
 
She hasn't mentioned it. I'll put that question on my list for next weeks visit. Thanks for the suggestion. I never thought about the stress relative to the pain. Good suggestion.
 
Have you thought of exercising while sitting. True, it does not use the biggest group of muscles and so uses less energy, but you feel that you are doing something that will help in the long run. I bought a 'Bodyblade', you can buy them on web auction sites, and they are fine to use second hand because they are hand held and they really do not take up a lot of room. Mine 'lives' in my eyeline to the TV so it is a reminder to use it when I sit down in the evening. I can increase my heart rate quickly and there are various exercises that you can do while sitting to work different groups of muscles.
It certainly can't hurt. I will do some online shopping and try to find a 'Bodyblade. It will offer some variety to my regular sit-ups, which quite frankly don't help my back - but it's better than walking at this time.
 
I have actually cut calories considerably, but know this will take along time. It is rather difficult to cut calories more on a LCHF diet, although today I managed to stay at 767 calories and 5.95 carbs - this will not be a regular thing. I need to adjust it somewhat, not because I am hungry, but I am quite tired. I have made up my mind to stick with it, especially since I see so many other people, like you, with exactly the same issues and they are doing brilliantly. Congratulations on all the weight lost - keep it up.
That is way too few calories.. please eat more than that or your body won't like it and will slow down your metabolism.. the carb level is great though.
This is where all the calorie counting rubbish leads us into trouble. To start with you need to eat but keep carbs very low this will allow your insulin response to food to reduce thus allowing access to your stored fat for fuel. You will turn from fat storage to fat utilisation. Once this has happened then you may find yourself naturally eating less because you will be more sated. So up the fats, eat plenty of protein and keep the carbs ultra low.
 
I don’t bother counting. All I had yesterday was a Rib Eye with a few mushrooms and a grilled tomato, plus a few mugs of coffee and water.

That all adds up to not very much, which is all I’m bothered about.
 
I have actually cut calories considerably, but know this will take along time. It is rather difficult to cut calories more on a LCHF diet, although today I managed to stay at 767 calories and 5.95 carbs - this will not be a regular thing. I need to adjust it somewhat, not because I am hungry, but I am quite tired. I have made up my mind to stick with it, especially since I see so many other people, like you, with exactly the same issues and they are doing brilliantly. Congratulations on all the weight lost - keep it up.
Hi @feniangirl you may find that you are not enough calories and your body is slowing down your metabolism to compensate. I was never able to lose weight by counting calories for this reason - in fact if I went too low my body would begin shutting down and making me feel ill. I also found that statins raised my hba1c from 48 at diagnosis to 54 - since coming off them 4 years ago my hba1c has been between 35 and 37. I have managed to maintain this despite eating approx 80g carbs per day although that does fluctuate - I can see @bulkbiker raising his hands in horror as I type!!!
 
@Crocodile Oh my yes. Very over weight, not from excess eating though, primarily from lack of exercise. I am unable to walk across the room with out severe pain due to sciatica. I believe this too would improve with weight loss, but makes it a slow process. I know the weight loss will help many of my issues, but other than diet, I am unsure what I can physically do. Any suggestions? Thanks.

I have a bad back (scoliosis, pinches nerves) and a regularly inflamed hip thanks to rheumatism, but both issues got less on the keto-diet. Basically I couldn't properly excersize either, due to physical pain and extreme fatigue. Then I found out something that gave me hope: "You can't out-run a bad diet". Diet comes first, physical activity a distant second. So even with limited ability to actually do stuff, first the low carb/high fat and then the Keto diet helped me lose weight and get my bloodsugars down. Right now I'm able to walk -for me- long distances, like 5 miles or more, without collapsing in a bawling heap after a mile. The only reason my back still gives out every now and again is because I haul my camera's around, and that's a price I'm willing to pay: I can still have a few hours of my hobby before I have to look up a chair to support my spine.

Looking at your various issues, I do think going keto (20 grams of carbs or less) would get the most effect in the shortest time. If you're in this much pain, I think the sooner you drop the weight straining on your spine, the better. Otherwise I'd say take it easy with LCHF which is moderately low carb to low carb, rather than the extreme approach... But it might help you the fastest. Forget about calories for the moment, only pick those numbers up again *if* your weightloss stagnates. Do remember that if you reduce the amount of carb intake drastically you'll probably get carb-flu: fatigue, headaches, overall aches and pains. It's normal and lasts a few days, up to a week or two at most, while your body becomes fat adapted: burning fat rather than sugar to give you energy. It really does feel like a flu, but think of it as a detox. If you fluctuate from keto to moderately low carb it'll last longer because your body won't know which way is up. So pick an amount of carbs, and try to stick with it. Starting at 20 grams and under your body goes into ketosis: fatburning rather than glucoseburning... It speeds up things quite a bit far as weightloss goes, though if you prefer LCHF, it'll probably help you drop weight and bloodsugars too, just not as fast. And drinking electrolyte drinks like coconut milk will help with the flu-isch symptoms, as will bone broth. Anything salty too, as at first you'll lose a lot of water weight (yup, you'll be in the bathroom often), and you need to keep hydrated. I got a few dizzyspells which had me grabbing the kitchen's salt shaker, it always helped; but then I already have low bloodpressure.

Take care of yourself eh.
 
Hi @feniangirl you may find that you are not enough calories and your body is slowing down your metabolism to compensate. I was never able to lose weight by counting calories for this reason - in fact if I went too low my body would begin shutting down and making me feel ill. I also found that statins raised my hba1c from 48 at diagnosis to 54 - since coming off them 4 years ago my hba1c has been between 35 and 37. I have managed to maintain this despite eating approx 80g carbs per day although that does fluctuate - I can see @bulkbiker raising his hands in horror as I type!!!

This is why it is best to keep kJ just under the normal days requirement. Going too hard at it often has the opposite effect for the reasons you highlight. It is a long process with no short cuts.
 
@Crocodile Oh my yes. Very over weight, not from excess eating though, primarily from lack of exercise. I am unable to walk across the room with out severe pain due to sciatica. I believe this too would improve with weight loss, but makes it a slow process. I know the weight loss will help many of my issues, but other than diet, I am unsure what I can physically do. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Hi Feniangirl,
Great you've already changed your diet and made other changes!
I also suffer from sciatica, had two spinal surgeries and got nerve damage all over BUT exercising is the key to keep up mobility. I also go every other week to see a physiotherapist and he gives me an exercise program i follow religiously, never miss a day and feel much fitter now. Specially stretching exercises work wonders for sciatica, immobility worsens it.

Good luck, all the best!
 
As you have some kidney disease do make sure you are not taking any more meds or dosage than you really need. My wife now suffers from CKD and the nephrologist believes it was probably due to one or two of the meds she took for a long time (including ibuprofen). Many of the meds we take can affect the kidneys and you don't find out until it's too late.
 
Impressive.. even I only go to one decimal place..and was 12.5 g yesterday.. must have been the 85% choc..
I do have a question about counting carbs. What do you use as a reference for the number of carbs in a particular food? I have looked online and in Atkins carb counter. The problem I have run into is it seems as if every site has a different amount, some not too many, but when you don't want to go over 20g - every one counts. (Example: Fit bit = Carbs 17.1, Eat this much = Carbs 11.9, Calorie King = Carbs 12.5, Self.com = Carbs 12.8, My fitness pal = Carbs 12.5, Fat secret = Carbs: 17.15g, Atkins 7.2 Carbs The to the least is a difference of 10g - that's a lot!)
 
I have a bad back (scoliosis, pinches nerves) and a regularly inflamed hip thanks to rheumatism, but both issues got less on the keto-diet. Basically I couldn't properly excersize either, due to physical pain and extreme fatigue. Then I found out something that gave me hope: "You can't out-run a bad diet". Diet comes first, physical activity a distant second. So even with limited ability to actually do stuff, first the low carb/high fat and then the Keto diet helped me lose weight and get my bloodsugars down. Right now I'm able to walk -for me- long distances, like 5 miles or more, without collapsing in a bawling heap after a mile. The only reason my back still gives out every now and again is because I haul my camera's around, and that's a price I'm willing to pay: I can still have a few hours of my hobby before I have to look up a chair to support my spine.

Looking at your various issues, I do think going keto (20 grams of carbs or less) would get the most effect in the shortest time. If you're in this much pain, I think the sooner you drop the weight straining on your spine, the better. Otherwise I'd say take it easy with LCHF which is moderately low carb to low carb, rather than the extreme approach... But it might help you the fastest. Forget about calories for the moment, only pick those numbers up again *if* your weightloss stagnates. Do remember that if you reduce the amount of carb intake drastically you'll probably get carb-flu: fatigue, headaches, overall aches and pains. It's normal and lasts a few days, up to a week or two at most, while your body becomes fat adapted: burning fat rather than sugar to give you energy. It really does feel like a flu, but think of it as a detox. If you fluctuate from keto to moderately low carb it'll last longer because your body won't know which way is up. So pick an amount of carbs, and try to stick with it. Starting at 20 grams and under your body goes into ketosis: fatburning rather than glucoseburning... It speeds up things quite a bit far as weightloss goes, though if you prefer LCHF, it'll probably help you drop weight and bloodsugars too, just not as fast. And drinking electrolyte drinks like coconut milk will help with the flu-isch symptoms, as will bone broth. Anything salty too, as at first you'll lose a lot of water weight (yup, you'll be in the bathroom often), and you need to keep hydrated. I got a few dizzyspells which had me grabbing the kitchen's salt shaker, it always helped; but then I already have low bloodpressure.

Take care of yourself eh.
Thank you so much for sharing. It does give me hope things will eventually improve if I stick with the program.
 
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