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Always somebody as to be negative!!!well it can't hurt try and i'm more than willing give it a shot!!!There's another thread about this here: https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/i-tried-to-ignore-headlines-but.156268/
It is the Newcastle Diet which is discussed a lot in the Low Calorie Diet section of the forum.Always somebody as to be negative!!!well it can't hurt try and i'm more than willing give it a shot!!!
800 calories/day is essentially a ketogenic diet...except they don't want to call it that...
You will achieve ketosis.
Although to be fair starvation may not be the best way to get there?
Ah but fasting and starvation are subtly different .....but you know that .... right?I think it depends on the subjects. Personally I think a couple of weeks of LCHF followed by extended water fast would be most effective...but there's no RCT on it
Dr Jason Fung did have a recent patient that fasted for a couple of months at least. Have to look up his twitter post...
Ah but fasting and starvation are subtly different .....but you know that .... right?
Disagree. The calorie intake is much higher than the Newcastle diet. As said it it is more like the old Cambridge Diet, which Prof Taylor adapted using the same shakes to emulate bariatric surgery. But ND may be considered by NICE as being too restrictive or severe for most diabetics they deal with so it may be a compromise from them. Remains to be seen if the calorie intake they end up with will actually be effective enough to claim remission or reversal. I suspect that with higher calorie intake it becomes less important to have a time limit such as the 8 weeks of ND,It is the Newcastle Diet which is discussed a lot in the Low Calorie Diet section of the forum.
At between 810 and 850 calories dailyDisagree. The calorie intake is much higher than the Newcastle diet. As said it it is more like the old Cambridge Diet, which Prof Taylor adapted using the same shakes to emulate bariatric surgery. But ND may be considered by NICE as being too restrictive or severe for most diabetics they deal with so it may be a compromise from them. Remains to be seen if the calorie intake they end up with will actually be effective enough to claim remission or reversal. I suspect that with higher calorie intake it becomes less important to have a time limit such as the 8 weeks of ND,
Sorry, I had forgotten that DiRECT used more sachets and had higher calories than the original ND, Has DiRECT been published yet? I have reread the links in the OP and agree it is ND in one form or another which is a good pedigree to have. I think I was mixing it up with either the Moseley 8 week diet or the Unwin trial where a figure of around 1000 cals was used,At between 810 and 850 calories daily
The report is based on the DiRECT study even down to the 300 people with just under half achieving remission..no?
Has Unwin done a low calorie trial? I must have missed that one somewhere...?Sorry, I had forgotten that DiRECT used more sachets and had higher calories than the original ND, Has DiRECT been published yet? I have reread the links in the OP and agree it is ND in one form or another which is a good pedigree to have. I think I was mixing it up with either the Moseley 8 week diet or the Unwin trial where a figure of around 1000 cals was used,
No he did do a reduced starch study which is sort of low carb. but was not near the keto ranges for the participants. Many here would not regard it as a true LC diet such as LCHF, but more 'eat to meter'Has Unwin done a low calorie trial? I must have missed that one somewhere...?
Endo via dietician has recommended 800cals meal replacements with veg, soups or cooked veg.
I'll let you know.800 calories/day is essentially a ketogenic diet...except they don't want to call it that...
You will achieve ketosis.