Would you give up meat

[archersuz]

I don't really enjoy meat except bacon but feel that I ought to eat it now I have seriously cut carbs. I eat mainly chicken and fish, and wouldn't have a problem if I never ate red meat again!

 

[LooperCat]

Yes, there is a VAST difference between ‘choosing to’ and ‘having to’.
There is a nice boost to deciding to do something, and a real downer to not having a choice.

I certainly don’t have that inner glow of smugness when I have the veggie option when I’m out... or the vegan option, because my stupid immune system hates dairy too. And when you eat low carb that mostly just means LEAVES

 

[Bluetit1802]

I’m allergic to meat and poultry and haven’t had either for over two years. It’s miserable.

How awful. What is it in meat that you are allergic to?

 

[Pinkorchid]

Not really your question (without question mark I note) was "Would you give up meat"

You also made a rather bold statement



With which I happen to disagree quite strongly which then led to my statement.

As I said feel free to eat as you wish but please don't tell me that meat eaters only do it for "enjoyment" when there are many whose health has improved dramatically when switching to an all meat way of eating.

Please enjoy your thread.

Of course most people want their food to be enjoyable and do not just eat to live and so very many enjoy eating meat and nothing wrong with that just as there is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian and not eating meat it I their life choice and not unhealthy as you seem to think. From replies here those people who are vegetarians are perfectly healthy without eating meat which you seem to think is not possible

 

[Pinkorchid]

I certainly don’t have that inner glow of smugness when I have the veggie option when I’m out... or the vegan option, because my stupid immune system hates dairy too. And when you eat low carb that mostly just means LEAVES

Yes that is miserable when you do not have the choice

 

[bulkbiker]

. From replies here those people who are vegetarians are perfectly healthy without eating meat which you seem to think is not possible

The fact that they are here at all may well show you the fault in your logic there..?

 

[lucylocket61]

Of course most people want their food to be enjoyable and do not just eat to live and so very many enjoy eating meat and nothing wrong with that just as there is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian and not eating meat it I their life choice and not unhealthy as you seem to think. From replies here those people who are vegetarians are perfectly healthy without eating meat which you seem to think is not possible

I agree, there are many low carb vegetarians on here, managing their condition successfully.

 

[LooperCat]

How awful. What is it in meat that you are allergic to?

Not sure what the specific allergen is, but I had extensive tests at the University hospital in Cardiff - came up highly allergic to mammal and bird meat, plus cow dairy. I get breathing difficulties, basically allergy induced asthma. I’m still able to eat fish and eggs... for now.

 

[Mr_Pot]

The fact that they are here at all may well show you the fault in your logic there..?

You're here as well !

 

[Jaylee]

I'm here too!

I'll try anything once that walks, crawls or flys... Stewed grilled or fried.

But that's not to say I don't do cauliflower rice, stuffed mushrooms or halloumi diced...

Let's keep the debate nice!

 

[bulkbiker]

You're here as well !

Joined before I realised what I should be eating?
According to the veggie and vegan sites it should be almost impossible to get T2 when eating that way...oops!

 

[Pinkorchid]

The fact that they are here at all may well show you the fault in your logic there..?

Not just my logic but also the vegetarians there are thousands of vegetarians and vegans who do not have diabetes and thousands of meat eaters that do

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Not just my logic but also the vegetarians there are thousands of vegetarians and vegans who do not have diabetes and thousands of meat eaters that do

I've seen some vegan propaganda that claims eating meat causes type 2 diabetes and being vegan will prevent it.

 

[lucylocket61]

A few groups making false claims about the causes of diabetes does not make all vegetarianism wrong and unhealthy.

it is perfectly possible to have a LCHF diet which is vegetarian. I have no knowledge of veganism as I have not explored it. My inability to eat nuts and seed would also be problematic getting enough nutrients if eating a vegan diet.

 

[bulkbiker]

Not just my logic but also the vegetarians there are thousands of vegetarians and vegans who do not have diabetes and thousands of meat eaters that do

And there are thousands of vegetarians that do have T2 look at India for example....
There haven't been that many long term carnivores yet but I wonder how many of them will develop T2?
I would hesitate a guess at zero.
Remember that most meat eaters currently also eat carbs so you aren't comparing like with like.
There are lots of vegetarians and vegans who have been following that way of eating for years and still develop T2 so......

 

[bulkbiker]

Those unbiased vegan promoters at Harvard... the ones that said low carb will kill us all .... hmmm

https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1076154202181853185

 

[Guzzler]

Those unbiased vegan promoters at Harvard... the ones that said low carb will kill us all .... hmmm

https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1076154202181853185

Those unbiased vegan promoters at Harvard... the ones that said low carb will kill us all .... hmmm

https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1076154202181853185

The response from Guy? The man should let rip and say what he really thinks!

 

[bulkbiker]

The response from Guy? The man should let rip and say what he really thinks!

Indeed...

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

A few groups making false claims about the causes of diabetes does not make all vegetarianism wrong and unhealthy.

Nobody said that is what makes vegetarianism wrong and unhealthy.

 

[Boo1979]

The fact that they are here at all may well show you the fault in your logic there..?

How do you think being unhealthy enough to be here ( ie diabetic) relates to eating / not eating meat?
As far as I see it, people can be a healthy diabetic as a meat eater or as a non meat eater, they can also be a very unhealthy diabetic as a meat eater or a very unhealthy diabetic as a non meat eater. - meat is not the determining factor and is just is one way of getting nutrition, as are many other food choices. I personally dont find any mono food way of eating attractive and believe there is a need to carefully balance nutrients from a variety of sources. For example body does very badly without much fibre so I go for around 30g fibre a day , it also does very badly with much carbohydrate, so I go for 35 ish g carbs on average - the former needs to be eaten from sources that are low in the latter