What was your fasting blood glucose? (with some chat)

[ianpspurs]

did your doctor suggest the LCHF woe..or did you too find it after searching for information re T2D ?

if they did well done.
if not..i'd ask why not..?

it is the crux of the point of any of us being on here, that patent lack of integrated advice.
the majority of doctors, seem to be saying don't test yet almost 100% ( the lucky ones i think,)
on here saying buying a meter is the first step to surviving this
and then to begin thriving.

i don't agree with some who say we are 'cured' but i do take the point that if we went to doctors tomorrow and tested we'd not be classed as T2D..simply because of the advice we have taken and followed..(not matter if it's some or all )

And that is the infuriating part..that there is evidence of some proof this disease can be slowed/reversed/put into remission/cured

yet far too many are denied the choice..as was i.
UNTIL i did My own research.

and still my practice will want me on statins, to not test and to take in higher numbers of carbs that i now believe will be detrimental to my health.

The diabetes spring can't come soon enough, when we can start being honest once again with those entrusted with our health care.

My Dr made no suggestion re how to manage my diabetes or testing. To be fair they always assume (we have talked at times including socially) I will do my own research and come to my own conclusions. Most people I know with T2 have been given the LC advice and I have been as keen as I could be to offer any help or advice. Have to say the common reply is thanks but no thanks.

 

[jjraak]

Most people I know with T2 have been given the LC advice
and I have been as keen as I could be to offer any help or advice.

Have to say the common reply is thanks but no thanks.

yep same here..sad really...that glassy eyed look..i spot it now and start talking about the football instead..


next seasons obviously.

 

[ianpspurs]

ian I have encountered many individuals who have little or no resources...have no idea they can ask/challenge their GP/DSN's refusal to supply necessary equipment...I have a couple of friends who followed the advice they were given to the letter after all their GP or nurse would not get it wrong would they?... they are now suffering from complications...in a real mess...not every T2 will want to test or change their way of eating but those who wish to should not be denied because they do not have the funds or the right education...we have members here who are trying to lead the way & challenge the 'stereotypical' view that T2 is self inflicted somehow deserved...challenge the view T2 will progress so what's the point it will get you eventually just take the meds & don't worry...challenge the standard NHS advice with diet...

Pretty certain we are on the same side of the argument in wanting to help people manage this condition as well as they can and make that independent of means and education. This area is fairly privileged and people I know who are T2 are both, inevitably, educated/informed and have resources to test and eat as they want. Mostly, they don't despite HCP advice - many have extensive family members who are HCPs and hammer home the message.

 

[SaskiaKC]

Good morning/afternoon, everyone. 5.7 on this lovely sunny morning. The temperature is back down in the single digits. Ah, Spring!

 

[SaskiaKC]

The eye clinic need to work on their people skills, and this would help a lot with the well being (and sanity) of their patients. It caused me panic that sudden diagnosis, and could have been dealt with a lot better. But, they are junior doctors still learning (it is a teaching hospital), and so I need to remember/consider that they probably haven’t developed or realised the people skills that are necessary in their job.

Thank you.

You have a good day today.
>^..^<

You too, @gennepher . I have been going through similar stress unnecessarily brought on by apathetic vision "services." I am sorry you are being put through so much stress by those people.

 

[gennepher]

Your last sentence shows a very humbling sense of concern for others and warmth of personality. Hope all goes well for you with the eye treatment and sleep becomes more restful. Absolutely in awe at your fortitude/stoicism general loveliness. That post properly sat me on my **se and told me straight.

Thank you for your wishes. I appreciate them.
>^..^<

 

[dunelm]

Good morning everyone - well good morning from here in DC - nearly 9am - had a go at catching up, so much to read, so little time, such high humidity, such noisy air conditioning -.
Anyhow, excuses registered and then swiftly on as if nothing had happened. A bit like a diabetic who lives on doughnuts and pop.
A day of museums and wonderment yesterday. Seeing a replacement for the Telstar, that inspiration for the Death Star, must have inspired my wheel of marvel and wonderment, which kindly spat out a resounding 5.5 this morning. Was it the food choices, was it the 7 miles wandering about, the amount of water drank, the late night movie with cheese and wine or the good night’s sleep.
Who knows. It certainly wasn’t doughnuts, Chilli dogs, coke (other substances available for the bewildered).

Have a wonderful rest of your day if you can, remember, experts are only useful if you allow them to be and most of them who cleverly try and predict future outcomes are probably not even near in outcomes. Forecasts are rarely looked back upon by the forecasters.

 

[SaskiaKC]

Not wanting to be an internet warrior but blanket slamming of medical profession's knowledge of diabetes takes us nowhere. To be fair the average GP is going probably going to see 100s of diabetics in their career and we usually only see ourselves. Pretty certain no GP ever sent a newly diagnosed patient away and said knock yerself out on doughnuts. Some of the suggestions for management on here are equally barking mad IMHO.

Hear! hear!

 

[gennepher]

You too, @gennepher . I have been going through similar stress unnecessarily brought on by apathetic vision "services." I am sorry you are being put through so much stress by those people.

They can do so much better for us all.
It is like we are cattle they don’t really care about.
Hugs for you.
>^..^<

 

[gennepher]

Good morning everyone - well good morning from here in DC - nearly 9am - had a go at catching up, so much to read, so little time, such high humidity, such noisy air conditioning -.
Anyhow, excuses registered and then swiftly on as if nothing had happened. A bit like a diabetic who lives on doughnuts and pop.
A day of museums and wonderment yesterday. Seeing a replacement for the Telstar, that inspiration for the Death Star, must have inspired my wheel of marvel and wonderment, which kindly spat out a resounding 5.5 this morning. Was it the food choices, was it the 7 miles wandering about, the amount of water drank, the late night movie with cheese and wine or the good night’s sleep.
Who knows. It certainly wasn’t doughnuts, Chilli dogs, coke (other substances available for the bewildered).

Have a wonderful rest of your day if you can, remember, experts are only useful if you allow them to be and most of them who cleverly try and predict future outcomes are probably not even near in outcomes. Forecasts are rarely looked back upon by the forecasters.

True...
Take care
>^..^<

 

[charlie000]

Is it true doctors get paid £100 per diabetes diagnosis?

 

[SaskiaKC]

ian I have encountered many individuals who have little or no resources...have no idea they can ask/challenge their GP/DSN's refusal to supply necessary equipment...I have a couple of friends who followed the advice they were given to the letter after all their GP or nurse would not get it wrong would they?... they are now suffering from complications...in a real mess...not every T2 will want to test or change their way of eating but those who wish to should not be denied because they do not have the funds or the right education...we have members here who are trying to lead the way & challenge the 'stereotypical' view that T2 is self inflicted somehow deserved...challenge the view T2 will progress so what's the point it will get you eventually just take the meds & don't worry...challenge the standard NHS advice with diet...

Apparently even in this day and age there are a lot of people who put blind faith in their doctor and, even with the Internet right here, don't do their own research. Even though many people seem to put blind faith in the Internet!

I agree with @ianpspurs that doctors see many patients with many conditions.
I also agree with people who say that veterinarians are not educated in animal nutrition, so presumably doctors aren't educated in human nutrition.

At my doctor's, there is a diabetes nutrition program but I haven't been able to check it out because it isn't covered by Medicare, so I'm not eligible for it. But -- amazingly enough! -- when my doctor found my LDL cholesterol was high, her assistant was on the phone telling me to try the DASH diet and giving me all kinds of free advice on how to eat for better LDL.

 

[HarryBeau]

I also agree with people who say that veterinarians are not educated in animal nutrition, so presumably doctors aren't educated in human nutrition.

If my Vet or GP is unable to advise on diet for myself or the pets then they are in the wrong profession Saskia and should retrain for the Civil Service!

 

[ianpspurs]

If my Vet or GP is unable to advise on diet for myself or the pets then they are in the wrong profession Saskia and should retrain for the Civil Service!

Think I would be happier if they referred myself or dog to a specialist nutritionist rather than gave non specialist advice. I am honestly not deliberately trying to disagree with you today.

 

[True Blue]

If my Vet or GP is unable to advise on diet for myself or the pets then they are in the wrong profession Saskia and should retrain for the Civil Service!

One of my university friends trained as a Veterinarian. Once in a group we had a casual chat about balancing food and nutrition with a focus on cost (we were poor students). John, the vet student, told us to have one piece of fruit and a pint of whole milk a day. After that, he said, for fit students it doesn't matter about hamburgers, pizza, or chips. Don't worry about it, he said! (seemed like good advice at the time)

 

[JohnEGreen]

So we have an allergy to something, and that allergy remains hidden until it suddenly explodes in our faces,
and the best advice on offer is DON'T bother trying to Look after yourself.......

LUDDITE....

(starting to think they are all on the meds that mess up your thinking after so many years...i'd like to think marijuana at least, but the way they get that glint in their eyes..i'm guessing statins.)

still on the brightside the menu they give looks great..
and with one or two Chef Specials.

BREAD : good for eye damage
FRUIT: helps aid towards amputations
STARCH; good for blocking up your arteries.

followed by a nice old slurp of some low fat chemically spawned drink...
( can help glowing in the dark..please use responsibly )

Yummy...:***:

any one think this is maybe how the dinosaurs really went out...following doctors advice too rigidly..

Please don't dis the Luddites King Ludd hailed from these parts they were not anti technology they were anti being forced into the new mills to work all the hours god sent for a pittance so cheap shoddy cloth could be manufactured.

Even Lord Byron spoke up for them.

 

[jjraak]

One of my university friends trained as a Veterinarian. Once in a group we had a casual chat about balancing food and nutrition with a focus on cost (we were poor students). John, the vet student, told us to have one piece of fruit and a pint of whole milk a day. After that, he said, for fit students it doesn't matter about hamburgers, pizza, or chips. Don't worry about it, he said! (seemed like good advice at the time)

And that fits neatly inside the idea that the western diet is poor.

See it as machines. were we should be able to process a set amount of carbs.

At a young age..we do..but as we creak towards older age, the accumulation begins to overwhelm some of us.

Sadly it's now overwhelming more and more us, and at a increasingly younger age..hence the "epidemic"

 

[SaskiaKC]

Some more thoughts about this ...

Doctors are one variety of scientist. And scientists like to categorize things and put them in labeled boxes.

Social scientists are another variety of scientist. And I think they like to do the same thing, only with people. I have noticed this with people working for agencies that want to help various "categories" of people. The elderly. The disabled. The poor. Et al.

The "helping" agencies label people, and have boxes, and they have guidelines. And they think each person should fit into the box labeled for her/his category. Then they come up with one standard of assistance for each category.

Person 1 is "Elderly." Therefore Person 1 needs help with transportation to medical appointments, and a simple cell phone with large numbers, and catered meals in a group setting, and organized activities. If Person 1 asks for help with anything else, sorry -- these are the needs of the "Elderly," anything else is outside the Elderly Box.

Person 2 has High Blood Pressure. Therefore Person 2 needs Drug A and Drug B.

Person 3 is "Diabetic." Therefore Person 3 needs Drug C and Drug E. If Person 3 suggests a certain diet, sorry -- Person 3 is not a degreed doctor or nutritionist, so stay in the box, please, and stay quiet.

To scientists, we are just categories. Specimens needing to be filed in one of many boxes.

 

[jjraak]

Pretty sure it's not the same over the pond,
@SaskiaKC

But we already get given professional advice ...
from our doctors as trained professional...

they give us a diet to follow in the main at diagnosis.

It just happens to be wrong...imho

 

[ianpspurs]

And that fits neatly inside the idea that the western diet is poor.

See it as machines. were we should be able to process a set amount of carbs.

At a young age..we do..but as we creak towards older age, the accumulation begins to overwhelm some of us.

Sadly it's now overwhelming more and more us, and at a increasingly younger age..hence the "epidemic"

The use of epidemic needs to be tempered by the stats. Only 6% of UK population:
"It is predicted that up to 549,000 people in the UK have diabetes that is yet to be diagnosed. This means that, including the number of undiagnosed people, there is estimated to be over 4 million people living with diabetes in the UK at present.

This represents 6% of the UK population or 1 in every 16 people having diabetes (diagnosed and undiagnosed)."
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-prevalence.html
Obviously too high but not an epidemic.