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Alien Aspie said:
I should add that the fact that the birth of Jesus was neither recorded nor celebrated in the formative years of Christianity does not lend to a denial of his existence. Merely that early Christians considered the crucifixion as the defining moment of his faith.

Also of interest is that the magi that are associated with the birth are Zoroastrian (Parsi).
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Good point, well made. "Christmas matters because Easter happened" is not something we hear enough IMHO. Not necessary to believe that in order to have a "traditional" Christmas but incumbent on those who claim to believe to be honest and make it clear what they believe. No nailing, piercing your side or anything else. Not up to you to agree or make it easier for people like me to believe - We've got the ultimate power on our side:angelic:
 
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dunelm said:
Good morning everyone from a quiet and peaceful start here in the dark and dangerous north

The wonder wheel of very slow roast pork atop a cauliflower and shedded sprout colcannon came in at 4.8 this am

The murmured plans for daughter and Mrs Miggins to visit their chosen garden centre didn’t go down too well yesterday.They discovered that it was in a tier 2 area so had to go to another one within our tier 3 area which did not have what they were looking for (whatever that was). I have a dripping shower to sort out so need to find out if what sort of cartridge is in the blender valve. Hopefully the stop tap under the kitchen sink will behave.

@lindisfel - excellent poem - thank you for posting.
@Muddy Cyclist - an inspired study.
@gennepher - 2 good pastels, both making great use of light; sky over gate and a cracking landscape with Bleak House.
@JFWinstone - welcome to the thread; a win for dropping fbg and a hug for the pain.

Painting for today, trying to depict some mist but not really working - oh well.
Have a great pre-bin day if you can, I really must stock up on koffy.
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Thank you for the compliments @dunelm
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It is not easy to do mist on those papers, but I think a lot of the mist I have seen has been stylised. Great dramatic painting.
 
Hi A.A.
Obviously educated Christians know all that and celebrate Christmas as if it being the birth of Christ.

Some may think it syncretism, myths from our pagan forebears amalgamated into Christianity!
There may be element of that, but culturally we like to have some race traditions that focus on family, friendship and for the Christian..the Logos made flesh being conceived and born of Mary, whenever it was in the year preceding and including his birth.
I wouldn't expect Christians to have too much of a Roman festival, even if as an old Norseman, I may burn a few logs this Yule.:);)

The trouble with following scrupulously something deemed as pure doctrine is the believer finishes up in strange places like Jehovah's witnesses.
D.
 
JFWinstone said:
Started reducing my carbs 3 days ago my FB for the last 3 days

Day 1: 9.0
Day 2: 7.6
Day 3: 7.3

Hoping if the weather is good enough and my pain isn't too bad to get out into the garden tomorrow. Still need to finish cutting back some bushes at the side of our bungalow, I got about halfway through when I got ill and haven't got around to doing the rest.
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Hugs for illness, winner for reducing carbs and better BG control, hope you get some decent gardening weather. By which I mean dry, it's too much to ask dmfor warm at this time of year.
 
lindisfel said:
Hi A.A.
Obviously educated Christians know all that and celebrate Christmas as if it being the birth of Christ.

Some may think it syncretism, myths from our pagan forebears amalgamated into Christianity!
There may be element of that, but culturally we like to have some race traditions that focus on family, friendship and for the Christian..the Logos made flesh being conceived and born of Mary, whenever it was in the year preceding and including his birth.
I wouldn't expect Christians to have too much of a Roman festival, even if as an old Norseman, I may burn a few logs this Yule.:);)

The trouble with following scrupulously something deemed as pure doctrine is the believer finishes up in strange places like Jehovah's witnesses.
D.
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Blindly following the latest trendy interpretation is what I would add. We are asked to engage with scripture and IMHO will answer for lack of engagement. Absolutely certain Jesus engaged with scripture and enjoined his disciples to do so.
 
ianpspurs said:
This is a very different post to the one planned around 4.30.
@gennepher I have really enjoyed your last two pieces.
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Thank you for the compliment @ianpspurs

I had a post part what I was going to say this morning, but cat left me in peace to do his radiator hugging, and I actually got to do my iPastel early and so posted with few words, and then went on to do a pile of re-organising. So getting a lot done. Normally cat mithers me to get back in bed with him. But he is still radiator hugging (6 hours later), and I keep checking if he is breathing...he is...

Have a good day!
 
ianpspurs said:
Good point, well made. "Christmas matters because Easter happened" is not something we hear enough IMHO. Not necessary to believe that in order to have a "traditional" Christmas but incumbent on those who claim to believe to be honest and make it clear what they believe.
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Agreed, the crucifixion is the locus or manifesting point of Christianity. We can ignore the debatable concepts of the resurrection (Pharisees) and ascension and simply allow the crucifixion itself to hold the moment.

It is there that the faith of one man is tested to its endpoint, there that the possibility of a retraction of intent could occur. Nowhere else does this hold true, and yet is often underplayed in favour of alleged events following his death.

Again I am not denying the resurrection, however, it is worth looking at the religious beliefs at the time amongst the sects of Judaism in relation to immortality and the idea of a soul. They are a fascinating study on their own and give a clearer understanding as to why the resurrection and ascension were accepted as the main story at a time when not everyone was agreeing on the role of Jesus including his Messianic uptake.

The story of the birth of Christianity is not linear and the reason we have the Paulian version is less to do with the actuality of Jesus and more to do with the reality of the region in the decades after his event.
 
SlimLizzy said:
Hugs for illness, winner for reducing carbs and better BG control, hope you get some decent gardening weather. By which I mean dry, it's too much to ask dmfor warm at this time of year.
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It's looking good out, chilly but the sun is out. As long as it isn't raining or as I call it Brizzle Drizzle seeing as we get so much of it here in Bristol then I'm good to go. It's taken me nearly 6 months to cut back these bushes but I'm almost near the end now, they were nearly 11 feet tall due to them not being maintained for who knows how long before we moved to this bungalow. Maybe a trip to the library this afternoon after the gardening is in order :)
 
Alien Aspie said:
Agreed, the crucifixion is the locus or manifesting point of Christianity. We can ignore the debatable concepts of the resurrection (Pharisees) and ascension and simply allow the crucifixion itself to hold the moment.

It is there that the faith of one man is tested to its endpoint, there that the possibility of a retraction of intent could occur. Nowhere else does this hold true, and yet is often underplayed in favour of alleged events following his death.

Again I am not denying the resurrection, however, it is worth looking at the religious beliefs at the time amongst the sects of Judaism in relation to immortality and the idea of a soul. They are a fascinating study on their own and give a clearer understanding as to why the resurrection and ascension were accepted as the main story at a time when not everyone was agreeing on the role of Jesus including his Messianic uptake.

The story of the birth of Christianity is not linear and the reason we have the Paulian version is less to do with the actuality of Jesus and more to do with the reality of the region in the decades after his event.
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Another great, well reasoned post. Every morning when I recite the creed I start with "I believe" ..... (I don't use we when on my own). It is my choice and a matter of pure faith. Your points are ones I have read and you make them eloquently. Of course I "know" what I believe is not divorced from nurture, the culture and beliefs prevalent at the time the main texts of Christianity were written and many other influences. Bottom line for me is I say "I believe" not "I'm kinda convinced." You are a good man AA
 
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ianpspurs said:
Another great, well reasoned post. Every morning when I recite the creed I start with I believe ..... (I don't use we when on my own). It is my choice and a matter of pure faith. Your points are ones I have read and you make them eloquently. Of course I "know" what I believe is not divorced from nurture, the culture and beliefs prevalent at the time the main texts of Christianity were written and many other influences. Bottom line for me is I say I believe not I'm kinda convinced. You are a good man AA
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It's not my intent to convert or cause a deviation in faith, and the fact you believe allows conversations like this to be undertaken. So thank you for that.
 
Alien Aspie said:
It's not my intent to convert or cause a deviation in faith, and the fact you believe allows conversations like this to be undertaken. So thank you for that.
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We are starting to hijack this morning's posts. I never for a moment imagined you of all people would try to convert or make me deviate. All good there and even if you were I ought to be prepared for my beliefs to be questioned/derided or anything else.
 
ianpspurs said:
We are starting to hijack this morning's posts. I never for a moment imagined you of all people would try to convert or make me deviate. All good there and even if you were I ought to be prepared for my beliefs to be questioned/derided or anything else.
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You are what you are, our conversation was in response to Alf's original query. I don't think I've ever converted anyone from their faith as I'd feel responsible for them and It's not something I want in my life. Religious dogma across many faiths is a pet subject for my aspie brain so I enjoy 'talking' about stuff ;)
 
Young Mr Josiah, young sparrow me owl, look wot ya dun did today. Back in the workshop on the double. Stick to sprouts and the wicked meeja:angelic:
 
Oops, spent all that time 'chatting' away and never posted my FBG... 5.7 so that's done :)

A dull, dreary day here and cold so I think I'll stay in the den and read a book.

Enjoy the day ;)
 
JFWinstone said:
It's looking good out, chilly but the sun is out. As long as it isn't raining or as I call it Brizzle Drizzle seeing as we get so much of it here in Bristol then I'm good to go. It's taken me nearly 6 months to cut back these bushes but I'm almost near the end now, they were nearly 11 feet tall due to them not being maintained for who knows how long before we moved to this bungalow. Maybe a trip to the library this afternoon after the gardening is in order :)
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Ooh access to library....will have to check if my local one is open at all.
 
Hi A.A.
Apparently, John the Baptist mother conceived six months before Mary's conception. John and Jesus were related.

John's father, a priest, was in the temple division of Abijah, when he found out his wife would become pregnant with John when he came off his two week temple stint.
It is relatively easy to calculate where the division of Abijah came in the yearly division of 24 two week periods of priestly service. BTW they didn't let the priest go home during their fortnight's service.

You should get a rough idea, but the Jewish sacred year position varied. New moon wrt Spring equinox used as datum.

I just offer that as an interesting excursion into the detail of Scripture and history, not as an infallible guide to certitude.
D.


Alien Aspie said:
I should add that the fact that the birth of Jesus was neither recorded nor celebrated in the formative years of Christianity does not lend to a denial of his existence. Merely that early Christians considered the crucifixion as the defining moment of his faith.

Also of interest is that the magi that are associated with the birth are Zoroastrian (Parsi).
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Alien Aspie said:
Agreed, the crucifixion is the locus or manifesting point of Christianity. We can ignore the debatable concepts of the resurrection (Pharisees) and ascension and simply allow the crucifixion itself to hold the moment.

It is there that the faith of one man is tested to its endpoint, there that the possibility of a retraction of intent could occur. Nowhere else does this hold true, and yet is often underplayed in favour of alleged events following his death.

Again I am not denying the resurrection, however, it is worth looking at the religious beliefs at the time amongst the sects of Judaism in relation to immortality and the idea of a soul. They are a fascinating study on their own and give a clearer understanding as to why the resurrection and ascension were accepted as the main story at a time when not everyone was agreeing on the role of Jesus including his Messianic uptake.

The story of the birth of Christianity is not linear and the reason we have the Paulian version is less to do with the actuality of Jesus and more to do with the reality of the region in the decades after his event.
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I like your post, but for one who has studied Paul, there are issues there that would take too much time and space to clarify, that is not appropriated on here.
Like Ian, God has give me faith, as he did Paul.
Best wishes A.A.
Derek
Ps. Now I must go off and write my Christmas cards.
 
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