What was your fasting blood glucose? (full on chat)

[lindisfel]

The rain has picked up Marjorie's Pansies far better than watering.

 

[ianpspurs]

#BabyBelgate exposes a serious dilemma for me. Nothing I have read either on here or from dubious internet sources convinces me as an answer to a few issues. Just where is a "safe" place for meter readings and A1c? The "official" ones seem far too high. However, I am unconvinced that anyone has answered the question of the best balance for healthy longevity twixt "stuffing in" dead calories (ultimately weight) against eating to my meter - HRQoL?. Why eat something just to appease a meter? Akin to a food offering for a false god IMHO. How far "off" am I guys?

 

[lindisfel]

Morening all, overslept again and schedule is now shot to pieces....please insert any profanities you want ............... in the dotted space

Blood sugars were a straight 6 today.

Now me and me's must depart and try to reclaim something of the morning.

Remember the stays especially the doom, gloom and negativity media one.

Are you off clubbing at Liverpool at the weekend, Alf?

 

[Krystyna23040]

I think that I would be inclined to test more and probably eat to my readings, drink more fluids and walk a bit more. I have found, for me at least, that if my bs goes high, something with a bit of fat/protein in it followed by a brisk walk, even 20 minutes round the house seems to do the trick - I have shares in BabyBel.

Thank you, that's very helpful. I will definitely follow your advice and I will also buy shares in BabyBel.

 

[ianpspurs]

Are you off clubbing at Liverpool at the weekend, Alf?

'Tis Friday peeps. Bop about, give it beans to this or Dame Nellie Melba for the unwoke

 

[Krystyna23040]

#BabyBelgate exposes a serious dilemma for me. Nothing I have read either on here or from dubious internet sources convinces me as an answer to a few issues. Just where is a "safe" place for meter readings and A1c? The "official" ones seem far too high. However, I am unconvinced that anyone has answered the question of the best balance for healthy longevity twixt "stuffing in" dead calories and ultimately weight against eating to my meter. Why eat something just to appease a meter? Akin to a food offering to a false god IMHO. How far "off" am I guys?

My belief is that we have bodies that can't process the high carb modern processed diet and the way to heath and longevity is to eat a diet of real food that does not contain a long list of additives.

My feeling is that if carrots and onions don't spike you they are absolutely fine. For me they give horrendous spikes so at the moment they are not fine but in the future my body may cope with them much better.

It is the same with nuts and seeds which I have to severely restrict but have huge health benefits. .I am not aiming for an ideal level of blood sugar readings or near zero carbs but am just aiming for the best figures I can get while eating nutritionally dense foods and very definitely trying to avoid high spikes.

I don't think that this is eating to appease my meter but is avoiding foods that do contain vitamins and other health benefits which at the moment my meter very definitely says a resounding no to.

I did fall into the trap of eating too much cream which I do think was very wrong because although it fine in moderation if you over consume cream it is just stuffing your body with empty calories. It was especially bad in.my case because I was substituting cream for more healthy foods like protein.

It was especially bad because I knew exactly what I was doing but was 'in denial'. Luckily I came to my senses when I read about the P.E. diet. But even with the P.E. diet - although I am definitely eating lots more protein there is no way am I going to stuff myself with the mega amounts of protein they suggest.

This of course is just my personal view and I totally accept that I could be absolutely completely wrong on all counts.

 

[Krystyna23040]

The rain has picked up Marjorie's Pansies far better than watering.

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What lovely pansies.

 

[ianpspurs]

My belief is that we have bodies that can't process the high carb modern processed diet and the way to heath and longevity is to eat a diet of real food that does not contain a long list of additives.

My feeling is that if carrots and onions don't spike you they are absolutely fine. For me they give horrendous spikes so at the moment they are not fine but in the future my body may cope with them much better.

It is the same with nuts and seeds which I have to severely restrict but have huge health benefits. .I am not aiming for an ideal level of blood sugar readings or near zero carbs but am just aiming for the best figures I can get while eating nutritionally dense foods and very definitely trying to avoid high spikes.

I don't think that this is eating to appease my meter but is avoiding foods that do contain vitamins and other health benefits which at the moment my meter very definitely says a resounding no to.

I did fall into the trap of eating too much cream which I do think was very wrong because although it fine in moderation if you over consume cream it is just stuffing your body with empty calories. It was especially bad in.my case because I was substituting cream for more healthy foods like protein.

It was especially bad because I knew exactly what I was doing but was 'in denial'. Luckily I came to my senses when I read about the P.E. diet. But even with the P.E. diet - although I am definitely eating lots more protein there is no way am I going to stuff myself with the mega amounts of protein they suggest.

This of course is just my personal view and I totally accept that I could be absolutely completely wrong on all counts.

That all sounds very sensible and well thought out. I would expect no less from yourself. When we use the term "spike" are we talking about +2 pts or any rise at all (which is my aim ATM)? I've never been very clear what people mean by "nutritionally dense". It seems to be a very elastic term but I'm pretty certain you mean "good for you." Six years in and I feel I don't have a handle on some very basic points. Thanks for replying - helpful but needs some "ownership" How long before all the jargon clears my system?

 

[jjraak]

Back to 6.0 again. Last night it was 3.9 when I went to bed so quite a dramatic rise.

Read the side effects of the antibiotics I started taking and it says it affects results of blood tests. and increases liver enzymes. Am having an hb1ac shortly so phoned surgery to check if it needs to be postponed. Pharmacist thinks that it only affects blood tests while taking it but I am not convinced.

As suggested with more testing walks etc

but i'd be putting that HBA1c back a bit.

Same for me as fasting, when i get what i consider an essential matrix to measure disease progress / manageability.

Others say no fasting required

Me i disagree...(too logical* for my own good say Lauren )

WHY potentially cloud such a result by 'possibly' affecting it with unkowns..coffee, etc.

that i very much doubt i'd be able to replicate next time in the exact quantities.?

However i'm pretty confident, if i fast from 7pm each night before a blood test, i CAN replicate that every-single-time......

Same thinking here, avoid and get it put back.

My worry is if not good, i'd be at some point thinking it was a wasted test
or worse, that i had lost control & despite best efforts, getting worse by the day

Worth it just on the deflation and inner worry if the meds DO affect it and the scores aren't; as you'd like or think reflective. of your efforts to date, i'd say.

A simple Clean slate,
then any perceived abnormalities will be more clearly under your control to manage and reflect upon,
imho..

I guess the Q is is it 'Essential' to get it NOW ?

if not defer, i'd suggest.

*or simple, as she actually said, 'Clarity' as i responded.
Never had many qualms my HBA1c wasn't ever taken under the best of conditions i could reasonably provide.

Good luck either way.

 

[jjraak]

'Tis Friday peeps. Bop about, give it beans to this or Dame Nellie Melba for the unwoke

Nice tune.
for me, youtube ran it nicely into some decent medley of titanium, etc...pleasant.

Cheers

 

[jjraak]

That all sounds very sensible and well thought out. I would expect no less from yourself. When we use the term "spike" are we talking about +2 pts or any rise at all (which is my aim ATM)? I've never been very clear what people mean by "nutritionally dense". It seems to be a very elastic term but I'm pretty certain you mean "good for you." Six years in and I feel I don't have a handle on some very basic points. Thanks for replying - helpful but needs some "ownership" How long before all the jargon clears my system?

Hi @ianpspurs

just to clarify, is your aim to avoid any spikes ?

As i realise a normal metabolism, ( for want of a better word) has spikes.
ours as T2D's, go high and stay high for longer

For most i'm in and around +2 after eating.
worst was my first xmas, chip butty..13 mmol.
took forever to return to normal (sub 6 for me )

Sure you know all this.

A Question i thought you asked previously was where is the Point we damage ourselves, with spike.

For me, i can only go by what i read and can infer or prove to myself it meets certain criteria,
and i was put on to Jenny Ruhr,

if i could put that up here for others who may be interested in reading it.
(is under my signature, as well for reference)
https://www.bloodsugar101.com/must-you-deteriorate

I read it in my head as like, water dripping onto a stone

Not T2D,.....drips make a very slight dent and damage us so slightly we die of other illness/causes way before our bodies deteriorate.

T2D,....up that water drip to a steasdy flow/flood/torrent, and damage is much more immediate depending on lack of attention/management
and visible in a vastly reduced time window.

Tl;dr: Suggested danger zone is 8 mmol
not for a post meal spike then returning after 2 hrs, but for an extended period running at higher levels.

 

[jjraak]

Afternoon.

Busy morning here

FBG 6.4

Off out to be a grease monkey and dabble with scooter

btw, anyone else not getting alerts to new posts..?
last ones i'm getting are yesterdays, and even they were inconsistent & didn't work as desired.

Enjoy the day

 

[Krystyna23040]

That all sounds very sensible and well thought out. I would expect no less from yourself. When we use the term "spike" are we talking about +2 pts or any rise at all (which is my aim ATM)? I've never been very clear what people mean by "nutritionally dense". It seems to be a very elastic term but I'm pretty certain you mean "good for you." Six years in and I feel I don't have a handle on some very basic points. Thanks for replying - helpful but needs some "ownership" How long before all the jargon clears my system?

I am so pleased that you thought my reply makes sense. When I finished the post I got up to start preparing my lunch and my hands and arms started shaking and I felt weird. Did a quick blood test and it was 2.9. Checked again and it was lower. Decided not to panic and try to raise it artificially with glucose as I am not driving this afternoon nor do I take insulin - so ate half an enormous avocado a felt a bit less shaky.

Will have my planned meal of the rest of the avocado and some smoked mackeral. Then mascarpone cheese with 20g of raspberries then a top up of protein powder and psyllium husks.

Nutrient dense to me is just those types of foods. Ribeye steak, shoulder of lamb, eggs, cheeses, nuts, seeds, berries, Greek yoghurt, kefir, veggies (mainly above ground but others like garlic and onions are very nutritious). All as you say are very good for you.

I don't personally try to avoid a raise after meals and count a spike as going up more than 2 after a meal. For me to have no rise after a meal I would have to avoid my yoghurt, kefir, seeds, nuts and a small amount of berries that I really enjoy and that would make my diet absolutely unenjoyable and not sustainable long term. So I am aiming for good enough to reverse the neuropathy and improve eye health (which it has done) but not perfection if that means no rise at all after a meal.

I am sure that cutting down drastically on cream and increasing protein is doing some interesting things to liver and pancreas at the moment. Wouldn't it be lovely to have X-Ray eyes so I could know what exactly is going on.

Update: have now had lunch and coffee and don't feel so weird and shaky.

 

[Krystyna23040]

As suggested with more testing walks etc

but i'd be putting that HBA1c back a bit.

Same for me as fasting, when i get what i consider an essential matrix to measure disease progress / manageability.

Others say no fasting required

Me i disagree...(too logical* for my own good say Lauren )

WHY potentially cloud such a result by 'possibly' affecting it with unkowns..coffee, etc.

that i very much doubt i'd be able to replicate next time in the exact quantities.?

However i'm pretty confident, if i fast from 7pm each night before a blood test, i CAN replicate that every-single-time......

Same thinking here, avoid and get it put back.

My worry is if not good, i'd be at some point thinking it was a wasted test
or worse, that i had lost control & despite best efforts, getting worse by the day

Worth it just on the deflation and inner worry if the meds DO affect it and the scores aren't; as you'd like or think reflective. of your efforts to date, i'd say.

A simple Clean slate,
then any perceived abnormalities will be more clearly under your control to manage and reflect upon,
imho..

I guess the Q is is it 'Essential' to get it NOW ?

if not defer, i'd suggest.

*or simple, as she actually said, 'Clarity' as i responded.
Never had many qualms my HBA1c wasn't ever taken under the best of conditions i could reasonably provide.

Good luck either way.

Thank you. I think very sensible advice.

 

[lindisfel]

#BabyBelgate exposes a serious dilemma for me. Nothing I have read either on here or from dubious internet sources convinces me as an answer to a few issues. Just where is a "safe" place for meter readings and A1c? The "official" ones seem far too high. However, I am unconvinced that anyone has answered the question of the best balance for healthy longevity twixt "stuffing in" dead calories (ultimately weight) against eating to my meter - HRQoL?. Why eat something just to appease a meter? Akin to a food offering for a false god IMHO. How far "off" am I guys?

Oh dear, I think can smell heresy, I must go out and collect some faggots!

 

[dunelm]

#BabyBelgate exposes a serious dilemma for me. Nothing I have read either on here or from dubious internet sources convinces me as an answer to a few issues. Just where is a "safe" place for meter readings and A1c? The "official" ones seem far too high. However, I am unconvinced that anyone has answered the question of the best balance for healthy longevity twixt "stuffing in" dead calories (ultimately weight) against eating to my meter - HRQoL?. Why eat something just to appease a meter? Akin to a food offering for a false god IMHO. How far "off" am I guys?

I have no idea how far “off” anyone is on this thing. I look at this little chart, below, and think to myself, “hey, it’s in nice colour coded blocks so as long as I fit into the orange block - job’s a good un.” Unfortunately that’s a bit simple. There is a lot of randomness in all this - when we are made, just like cars, there will be a bit of built in randomness. And, as we get used, so to speak, some of that randomness gets even more random - and how can we predict the randomness when it is so, random and is marginally different in each of us. Just taking the functions of the liver - if there are at least 500 know functions then that gives 500! (500 factorial) = 500 with 124 zero’s shoved on the end - then factor in the differences between just two livers and your brain melts. For me - because I don’t seem to mind a low of 3, I am happy with a reading of between 3 and 6 first thing in the morning and up to 8 after a bit of fuel. One thing though. If I test my bloods before eating and get a low reading then the treat light comes on.

 

[dunelm]

Oh dear, I think can smell heresy, I must go out and collect some faggots!

I know a guy that will sell you an indulgence for a chicken and a couple of bottles of beer.

 

[ianpspurs]

Thanks for the comments on "benchmarks" and rises after meals. I'm after a minimal rise if any - flat isn't a "win" for me. Salads regularly give a slight fall. I'm unhappy with a 2 hrs post prandial above 5 (6 is plain scary and I'm hell to live with if an outrage like that happens) hence so many meals and foods I like being rejected. The irony is none of this translates into an A1c I am remotely confident "protects" me. Yes, Derek, pitchforks and burning brands needed on me. There may be the hint of a perfectionist streak hidden in me somewhere. Yes, this is very close to appeasing a false god but I don't eat, if bg is around 6 naturally, before my planned meals - maybe 11.00 a.m CWC. The scales drive me hugely. Fascinating how different we all are about our "comfort zones"

 

[Krystyna23040]

There may be the hint of a perfectionist streak hidden in me somewhere.

I think you may be onto something there.

 

[ianpspurs]

I think you may be onto something there.

Julie never mentioned you two meeting for coffee. Outdoors, COVID secure obviously.