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Suze A

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Type of diabetes
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Hi there. I have just been diagnosed as type 2. I am watching my carb intake but unfortunately my saturated fat intake has gone up? How do you people manage your intake of SF? T.I.A.
 
Suze A said:
Hi there. I have just been diagnosed as type 2. I am watching my carb intake but unfortunately my saturated fat intake has gone up? How do you people manage your intake of SF? T.I.A.
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I don't - saturated fat has been part of our diet since the beginning - it is useful for so many things in our biochemistry. They are the raw materials for a number of important controlling factors to do with appetite, nutritional and anergy cycles and they are also involved in the maintenance and repair of the brain and nervous system.

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From the nutrition perspective, I just don't overdo the saturates but I don't avoid them. However, (and this is just my experience) I am careful of not eating saturates on their own (cheese fests, nut fests) as this causes me to have insulin resistance with unstoppable BG spikes and insulin stacking, if I'm not careful.
 
I too don’t avoid saturated fats but don’t add them either, I eat the fat that comes along with any meats, a bit of butter, very occasionally cream. I don’t have a lot of dairy fats as I find they cause me weight gain. I get extra fat from extra virgin olive oils, avocado, Greek yogurt. Oily fish like salmon. A bit of cheese with a meal. I find upping my protein does just the same satiety wise as eating extra fats
 
Resurgam said:
I don't - saturated fat has been part of our diet since the beginning - it is useful for so many things in our biochemistry. they are the raw materials for a number of important controlling factors to do with appetite, nutritional and anergy cycles and they are also involved in the maintenance and repair of the brain and nervous system.
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@Resurgam I am not able to eat fats, particularly saturated fats. My body is unable to process them. I‘m sick to my stomach when I eat saturated fats. I cannot digest them. So given what you are saying I am both interested and concerned around your comments around epilepsy, delaying Alzheimer’s and so forth. May I ask you to post some links so that I can look into them further. Thanks, Mel

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Resurgam said:
I don't - saturated fat has been part of our diet since the beginning - it is useful for so many things in our biochemistry. they are the raw materials for a number of important controlling factors to do with appetite, nutritional and anergy cycles and they are also involved in the maintenance and repair of the brain and nervous system.
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Thank you for your reply.

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I have no probelm with eating saturated fat, and it has formed a major part of my food for the last five years. It's now recognised that the advice about not eating saturated fat needs at least to be reconsidered - see this review piece in the Journal of American College of Cardiology from 2020:


•Several foods relatively rich in SFAs, such as whole-fat dairy, dark chocolate, and unprocessed meat, are not associated with increased CVD or diabetes risk.
•There is no robust evidence that current population-wide arbitrary upper limits on saturated fat consumption in the United States will prevent CVD or reduce mortality.
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Suze A said:
I was just worried about my cholesterol levels. Thanks for the reply.
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My lipids have all improved to perfect range from being out of whack on diagnosis, 8 years ago. During those 8 years I've cut the carbs and upped the fats, happily eating cheese, butter, fatty cuts of meats.
 
Antje77 said:
My lipids have all improved to perfect range from being out of whack on diagnosis, 8 years ago. During those 8 years I've cut the carbs and upped the fats, happily eating cheese, butter, fatty cuts of meats.
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Thanks for your reassurance
 
As being lactose intolerant and averse to most other oils, I have to have the saturated fats that come to my plate naturally. In meat or the limited diet that I can eat.
With my cholesterol, liver and kidneys function and in a bad way with most things at diagnosis.
Since discovering I could eat a lot less, use fasting and intermittent fasting, have a diet around the experimenting I did, I found over a few months, that my tests improved, I was reversing my ill health.
I still get congratulated on my results by my dsn.

In my experience, the lower carb, fresh natural food, none of that rubbish manufacturers garbage, is what has done this. Your cholesterol will follow, As will your hba1c and fasting levels.
 
Lamont D said:
As being lactose intolerant and averse to most other oils, I have to have the saturated fats that come to my plate naturally. In meat or the limited diet that I can eat.
With my cholesterol, liver and kidneys function and in a bad way with most things at diagnosis.
Since discovering I could eat a lot less, use fasting and intermittent fasting, have a diet around the experimenting I did, I found over a few months, that my tests improved, I was reversing my ill health.
I still get congratulated on my results by my dsn.

In my experience, the lower carb, fresh natural food, none of that rubbish manufacturers garbage, is what has done this. Your cholesterol will follow, As will your hba1c and fasting levels.
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Thank you. Glad you are improving.
 
I am a straightforward T2 with blood glucose in the non-diabetic range for over 3 years (diagnosed 3 and a half years ago) from diet control only. I eat plenty of natural unprocessed fats. The more modern research is worth keeping up with (our medics don't have time or do but have to follow NHS protocols) and bodies are individual in their responses.
 
Melgar said:
@Resurgam I am not able to eat fats, particularly saturated fats. My body is unable to process them. I‘m sick to my stomach when I eat saturated fats. I cannot digest them. So given what you are saying I am both interested and concerned around your comments around epilepsy, delaying Alzheimer’s and so forth. May I ask you to post some links so that I can look into them further. Thanks, Mel

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Maybe start with coconut oil or MCFAs (medium chain fatty acids) and follow links from there.
After a previous run in with a GP over taking stains again, I asked for information about the claim that lowering cholesterol results in an extended lifespan with fewer illnesses or 'conditions' - the GP promised information and a follow up appointment, neither of which turned up.
My husband used to take medication for epilepsy but still had fits. These days, sharing my dietary choices with added carbs, he doesn't take medication or have fits, not for decades.


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@Suze A - It's worth considering the source of the reason for concern about SFA. It's still the case that Cardio Vascular Disease (of all types) is the biggest killer of diabetics on a statistical basis - so the warnings tend to go hand in hand. Some (and cards on the table, I'm one of them) would say that nearly all the evidence around saturated fat and cholesterol is based on poor science at worst, or simply based on men who had already had heart attacks at best, so particularly difficult to apply to women who haven't.

Even at the most simplistic reading though, as a risk to your arteries, your blood glucose level is around 15 times more significant than anything related to LDL (which is supposedly the connection to SFA intake) - so even within the current guidelines; you can focus on reducing glucose 15 times more than worrying about fat.

[edit - the 15 times claim - I'm reading a lot, and the relative strength of the statistical risk posed by blood glucose and LDL comes up over and over; the last and most recent mention was in a book by Dave Asprey - Super Human, in which he mentions this 15 times, which is why it was in my head. I've since tried to back that up, but of course all the search references do not go into relative risk factors, only bullet points that make it seem like everything is equally valid. If you come from the starting point that the science around LDL is wrong, then it becomes difficult to disprove a negative. Maybe the best reference I could find is from Dr Malcolm Kendrick - not universally acknowledged, but this explanation of the relative risks is far better than anything I can tip off the top of my head:]
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lovinglife said:
Hi @Resurgam, do you have a link to this information? I don’t disagree but statements like this on the forum need links
Thanks :)
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Sorry - I don't know how to do links - I am one of those people who have never sent a text and still have sliderules on every desk. Just use Google. The truth is out there.
 
Resurgam said:
Sorry - I don't know how to do links - I am one of those people who have never sent a text and still have sliderules on every desk. Just use Google. The truth is out there.
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You can simply go to the website you want to refer to and copy the address bar at the top of your screen. Left mouse button to select, right mouse button and choose copy. You can then paste in your post (right mouse button again).
If you use a device with a touchscreen, like a phone, press your finger on the adress bar of the website and it will give you a copy icon.
Alternatively, you can write out the name of any website and article if you want to share your source.
 
Resurgam said:
Sorry - I don't know how to do links - I am one of those people who have never sent a text and still have sliderules on every desk. Just use Google. The truth is out there.
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The problem is that forum rules ask for either personal experience or referenced statements. It doesn't have to be an internet link although that's the easiest - I reference the Bilous and Donnelly textbook all the time, and I can't link to it.

Mods will remove assertions made without evidence to back them up. It's not an issue about defining the truth or otherwise - it's just that forum users need some guarantee that posts aren't just full of "information" made up on the spot or half-remembered.
 
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