what about the new idea of short sharp bursts, it does get i don't know whats for the best, i'm going to was my car now thats my therapyits not about slimmng down, its about not being fito.
what about the new idea of short sharp bursts, it does get i don't know whats for the best, i'm going to was my car now thats my therapy
To me that attitude is going to screw the nhs longterm just like saying "hey, if I need meds, the nhs will pay for them- no worries."
Our nhs is broke... I don't work directly for NHS or any medical company however, I do value them being there and me personally I will do as much as I possibly can to save them money by looking after myself now and in the future. Not just now.
There been so much debate on this particular posting, so I'm not wishing to fuel it further.
We are all individuals. If you (or anybody else) can get sustained ongoing great levels.. Well all brilliant and well done. However, saying there is medication, possibilty of a cure etc.. To me is difficult to comprehend.
I am a type 1 and done all I can to look after my body for 30+ yrs with the disease. It breaks my heart and soul to hear that people can have such a cavalier attitude to their life and medicines. Especially as diabetes is not the only disease in the world. 4/5 of my step bro's n sisters have all had cancer-all due to bad genetics.. None smoked....It truly breaks my heart to hear that people can treat their bodies as whatever may happen, may happen but there's medicines (and cures?) possible..
The NHS is broke...
you can't let things like this break your heart, it doesn't change anything it's only you feeling it, i always felt the same about people doing drugs and wasting their lives, but all we can do is live our own, helping those who want the help.
don't you think it's a good thing that Douglas has said this, now any newbie can see it's not as straight forward as improving tolerance in the body but more about not worrying about the future letting the nhs take care of it, from this an informed decision can be made, i am trying to take care of tings and not on meds and will try to stay this way. just take care of you
Douglas, you know i'm trying to understand not have a fight, you talk about BMI and calories, what about the newish stuff saying BMI will be replaced soon as some very clever people are working on a replacement as they don't believe that is a true measure anymore, and that not all calories are equal, that exercise to balance calories in to balance calories out does not work, i read these things and am trying to make sense of it all, when i found out fat doesn't make you fat it was a big surprise, as this has been pushed since i was very young (low fat i mean).
still it sounds like you are saying live for today and to hell with the future, and you will just rely on Doctors being able to help, please don't get mad just help me understand
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The idea of saving the beta cells is a good one.
But I decided I would rather use them now, (and this is a purely personal choice, and mine alone), I can do things now, that maybe I won't be able to do later for other reasons.
Maybe they'll find a cure.
Maybe gene therapy will be the answer.
Maybe I'll completely trash them, and have to inject.
But, for now, I'll dive, and take advantage of my beta cells.
But no matter what, I've made my choice, and hopefully I won't look back and regret it.
I don't read the newish or oldish stuff, and I probably won't read what the clever people write.
I don't need calories to be equal, or better, or worse.
I don't mind if calories in equals calories out or not.
I don't need to know if fat makes me fat or not.
I never needed to know,
All I know is what worked for me, what got me down from XXL to M, what looks ok in the mirror, and reads what I want to on the scales.
As to living for today, I think that was my previous diet, but now I think I have a future back, and it's going to be one I like, and I'm planning for it, and hopefully will be doing a sport I like for many years to come.
thanks for the answers, i understand now that we cannot have an informed discussion as you don't take any new information into consideration, so from what you say you disregard the info and do your own thing, this is confusing for someone newish trying to find their way, you do get misunderstood a lot, it did sound like you didn't care if you trashed the beta cells, don't you think after repairing them they may need a bit more care, you did post a list of food you ate at a bbq, i've never seen anyone eat that much even over all those hrs. A doctor told me once it's more important to be healthy on the inside than the out. have a good day
I generally find informed discussions tend to flounder when everyone has different information.
I don't get involved with those any more, I can only speak from experience of what I've done, and what I'm doing.
If any new information proves it should or shouldn't work, it's not doing to alter what has already happened in my case.
I have a diet, with constant medical support, and self checking, all my results are on here, and my beta cells don't seem to be doing badly.
The other advantage with my own diet is it's flexible, a few low calorie days will balance the excess days.
I prefer being healthy on the inside, and the outside and at the moment I seem to be.
If posting an honest blog can be said to confuse people, equally providing restricted information so they only have one direction to go in would seem to be in-appropriate.
(And to be honest, if you've never seen anyone eat that much, you should have met me before.
My insides matched my outsides as well then.)
Bmi is ok as a guide it's purely weight as a factor of height
BMI was developed for population demographics. It was never intended to be applied to individuals.
So, a diet of Pot Noodle, Instant porridge, cup a soup, toast, maybe fruit, or fish or burger, and chips, if the van by the quayside was open wouldn’t work if my pancreas was permanently asleep until a week next Tuesday.
So, back onto a diet that provided some exercise for my pancreas as well taking care of the rest of me, and one that didn’t induce panic at the thought of white flour by the thimbleful.
Hey Douglas haven't got the time to read all the posts in the thread as like you am doing up my house so some of this maybe out of date. If so apologies.
I get the bit about exercising your pancreas and agree if you low carb and then eat some carbs your bloods will react badly because your pancreas first phase response will dump out insulin based on what you've recently been eating and not based on the meal you've just eaten. If you're at the point where you've lost all the weight and got everything under control then gradually upping your carbs and testing to see what happens is the way to go.
I also agree if you lose loads of insulin resistance by losing excess weight you'll put yourself in a position to likely be able to up your carbs because your insulin resistance is no longer the problem it was.
Some thoughts though
In your case you're already giving your pancreas a workout by taking Stiglapitin as it works indirectly to stimulate your pancreas to produce insulin. In your position I'd look to try and give that up if you're upping carbs as both carbs and Stig maybe working your pancreas harder than you think. Working your pancreas too hard was a major cause of getting T2 in the first place and would appear to be a major cause of why people progress to insulin imo. I'd say keep with the Metformin as that isn't insulin inducing.
Depending on how long and how bad your levels were prior to diagnosis will determine how much beta cell damage you carry. As far as I know no amount of weight loss will repair your beta cells so even if you recover a good amount of function by reducing insulin resistance you may still find you have a maximum amount of carbs you can eat that is significantly less than you could prior to diagnosis. For example I low carbed around the 40 to 75g level for about 18 months after diagnosis then when I'd shifted the insulin resistance I gradually upped my carbs. My maximum is now around 150g a day. If I try to gradually increase above that my BG's rapidily go downhill.
It's probably not good to assume that just because you've shifted a load of insulin resistance and can now eat a goodly amount of carbs that all people are in the same position. Just like all people have different tolerances to carbs at diagnosis those difference continue even many years down the line.
Pot Noodle, Burger, Chips, careful my friend don't throw all the hard work away! Wasn't it those kind of foods that gave you T2 in the first place. The slippery slope awaits ...
Good luck with the house