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Readings recently gone way up. Help please?

cineman

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Hi everyone. This is my first post. I thought "Oh I'm OK, I don't need a forum to help me!" Huh, well that didn't last long, did it? I am 55 & was diagnosed T2 in 2007, At first I was diet controlled, then I had to have one Metformin a day, then two. Fast forward to now. My last four HBA1C's at the doc's were 45, 64, 53 & now, suddenly, 87! Wow, did that give me a shock! I have never had ANY symptoms of diabetes, so (like many people) thought I was wrongly diagnosed. WRONG! OK, so no more denial. I am now on four Metformin a day & have to test. "But" I protested to the nurse, "I was told that you shouldn't need to test on Metformin"? "That's right" she replied, "You shouldn't. Now here's a free meter, go home & test"! I see what she means, my readings have gone down since, from around 10.1 to anywhere between 5.0 & 9.2, although it averages out at somewhere about 7.2-8.8 most days. Take last night, apart from one little biccy to take my last 2 Met with, I had nothing to eat from about 7pm until after my morning test, 14 hours later. I was 7.8! How is that happening? I know that this is a progressive disease, but I am doing everything right at the moment, so why are my readings just so wrong? Any help or suggestions you can give, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
Hi Cineman

What is your diet like most importantly.
Please read around and you will find loads of important discussions in regards to the kind of diet we should be on.
I will also tag along @daisy1 who can send you some info.
 
Hi Cineman, welcome to the forums.

I'm a T1 but I'm sure some T2's can be persuaded to come by and offer some advice.

Can you give the forum members what you are actually eating on an average day?
 
@cineman

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope the diet and carb information will help you to control your levels. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be along to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Ok so you said you had a biccy.... So this would suggest that perhaps you may have biscuits readily to hand.

As a suggestion only to lower your figures on bloods I would recommend having a look around at some of the success stories on the forum for T2's.... There is a huge amount of help around from people that have been in your position and improved levels and indeed reduced or come off medication.

It is a wake up call. You've found people that live with diabetes day in, day out and although we have no medical qualifications we have **** good experience.. More thsn any non diabetic medical person would ever know.

Have a look around.. Sure we do hsve some debates around some food/diet issues because we are all individual... And at the end of the day we don't live your life...and your circumstances... But as for managing bloods etc we all have experiences of how we have made changes (ditch the biccies!!-lol;)
 
although we have no medical qualifications we have **** good experience.. More thsn any non diabetic medical person would ever know.
One of the biggest reason I trust what members say here than the gp, he's not going through it and would never understand either.
 
Hi everyone. This is my first post. I thought "Oh I'm OK, I don't need a forum to help me!" Huh, well that didn't last long, did it? I am 55 & was diagnosed T2 in 2007, At first I was diet controlled, then I had to have one Metformin a day, then two. Fast forward to now. My last four HBA1C's at the doc's were 45, 64, 53 & now, suddenly, 87! Wow, did that give me a shock! I have never had ANY symptoms of diabetes, so (like many people) thought I was wrongly diagnosed. WRONG! OK, so no more denial. I am now on four Metformin a day & have to test. "But" I protested to the nurse, "I was told that you shouldn't need to test on Metformin"? "That's right" she replied, "You shouldn't. Now here's a free meter, go home & test"! I see what she means, my readings have gone down since, from around 10.1 to anywhere between 5.0 & 9.2, although it averages out at somewhere about 7.2-8.8 most days. Take last night, apart from one little biccy to take my last 2 Met with, I had nothing to eat from about 7pm until after my morning test, 14 hours later. I was 7.8! How is that happening? I know that this is a progressive disease, but I am doing everything right at the moment, so why are my readings just so wrong? Any help or suggestions you can give, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Welcome @cineman

What's your normal diet since the last hba1c?
When do you test your blood glucose levels?
What exercise do you get?

First of all read Daisy1 post.

Then starting tomorrow, reduce your carbs.
Reduce your sugars.
Reduce your plate size.

Increase your activity.
Increase the testing.

Test before eating.
Then test 2 hours after first bite.

This will give you a tried and tested method of checking what food is doing to your blood glucose levels.
Keep a food diary.

If you gradually reduce your carbs and sugar, you will gradually reduce your blood glucose levels.

Hope this helps.
 
Hi folks. Many thanks to all of you for such swift replies! I'm used to being on forums where it can take days to be answered. In answer to some questions: Yes I am overweight. I should be 10-11 stone, but am currently hovering around 15. (at 5'6"). That said, I am also losing about 2 pounds a week. When I was first diagnosed, I got a shock & thought I couldn't eat anything. I dropped a stone in just a few weeks. (I had been 16 & a quarter). I had a 'biccy' as, a) it is only around 36 calories, although this is usually a Dutch crispbake at only 30 & virtually no sugar. & b) Without any treats of any kind at all, life simply wouldn't be worth living. I also suffer depression, which doesn't help. Yes I try to be as good as possible, but this isn't easy to do all the time. I get confused when the Dr's says you can have this or that, then they say "Oh no! You mustn't have this or that!" A course in diabetic nutrition said that it's okay to have carbs, as long as there's not much of those as actual sugar. One nurse tells me that I mustn't even have sweetener & should forget about anything having a sweet taste. Then another nurse tells me that sweeteners are fine & even the odd bit of sugar can't hurt! Honestly. If there was one rule I had to follow, I could probably do that, but I get so much conflicting advice, I don't know where to start! I'm told that we all need carbs, as in 40% carbs, 40% protein & 20% fat. I suppose that's not right at all for a T2? So what should our balance be? I have seen a dietitian many times, but they just quote the 'Eatwell' plate at me, but don't give me any advice about diets or what I should be eating. I have downloaded some meal planners off this site & also the Heartmatters website. (I don't have heart trouble). Food? Well I like my breakfast & am currently scoffing down things like Porridge (40g) or Shredded Wheat (45g) Puffed Wheat (15g, as it's so light) or no sugar Alpen (45g) all with milk, but porridge is half water/half milk. I know they all have carbs, so can I or can't I? Lunch is usually fruit, backed up by maybe a pickle or two or a crispbread (Ryvita) with little or no spread. Dinner is a meal, about 600 cals or less. We try to eat italian/mediterranean about 2 or 3 nights a week. My partner isn't diabetic & my son eats differently to us every night of the week, so rather than cook three different meals, I try to be good, but eat the same things as my partner. We do have healthy meals, but I would love it if there was one 'diabetics' cookbook, that was filled with good, healthy meals, that don't need tons of expensive ingredients, or take hours in preparation & cooking, like most of them do. I thought I had put my exercise down, but I didn't. So, I gym three times a week & take a 1-3 mile walk on the other days, when I can spare the time. I am a full-time carer for my wheelchair using partner, she is a paraplegic & is confined to the wheelchair, so that takes a lot of caring time. So basically a gym session gets dropped or walk gets missed on occasion. I was good. I was losing weight quickly at one point, back in 2009. But something happened, I don't know what, but now, I find I cannot go without food for too long. This is odd & is not like me. With these latest results, I am trying to just eat at mealtimes, but have the occasional healthy snack. I suffer bad hunger pangs, but try to concentrate on doing other things. I have read that eating six small meals is better for us than three fairly big ones. Is this right for us? I have also noted that, when I take readings later in the day, I am getting 'scores' of 5.0 to 5.4. Why this happens fairly soon (3-4 hours after meals), when I can go 12-14 hours & then get a high pre-breakfast reading, I have no idea. Sorry I've waffled on so long. I'll stop now & await any replies. Once again, thank you all for this help, it is very much appreciated.
 
One thing that carbs do more than fat is increase your hunger. Carbs can generate cravings. Reasonable quantities of fat or protein don't create cravings and leave you filling full for longer. This isn't just diabetics that feel like this.. Its the human race as a whole with carbs.

More responses will be along soon. Glad you've got good responses.

Understand your thoughts on biccies being few calories..
Many persons that lower carbs don't have to think about calories. I have to think about getting enough fat from meditereanean eatinh otherwise with my gardening work I lose weight as my carbs are naturally and generally around 12-50g a day.

You'll get some more great responses.. Thanks for taking the time to give more details. It helps to get full picture to enable people to help more.
 
Want to take control the easy way ... Then forget what the well meaning health team at your Drs are telling you. Read all the info from daisy..and cut down ... Way down on the carbs ... And throw away all your low fat foods and replace them with full fat ones ...
Carb content of pre packed foods are on the back of the package.. The total carb content is what you need to count .. As carbs turn to sugar when eaten .. I have around 30gms of carbs a day .. Some times a little more ... Eat to your meter .. Try not to rise more than 2 ..so test before you eat and 2 hrs after ... So if your 5.0 before eating you don't want to be more than 7.0 two hours after eating ... I don't count above ground veg in my total carb count .... But I am a vegetarian ! But all below ground veg are needing to be carb counted ..so potatoes..carrots ..beetroot need to be carb counted ... As bread ..pasta ... Cereals..oats .. rice all turn to sugar and need to be carefully counted before eating.
Hope this helps .. The full fat products stop you feeling hungry and give you energy.
 
Wonder if anyone can advice me,when looking on food labelling and example it says carbs say for instance 10 of which sugars is say 2 should I be looking at the which sugars,same with fat should I be looking at the saturated fat ,thanks in advance.
 
Wonder if anyone can advice me,when looking on food labelling and example it says carbs say for instance 10 of which sugars is say 2 should I be looking at the which sugars,same with fat should I be looking at the saturated fat ,thanks in advance.
Look at the total carbs as all carbs turn to sugar so less carbs = less sugar. I don't tend to look too closely at the fat content as I find that full fat is better for me than low or half fat - again less sugar and carbs. Hope this helps
 
Could try bacon, egg and mushroom for breakfast rather than cereals, or even a continental style cold meats and cheese. Full fat Greek yogurt and berries with some nuts or seeds. Ryvita with cream cheese.

Fruit has a lot of natural sugar but I think that Greek or natural yogurt will help slow the release of the sugar rather than cause a massive spike (berries seem to be better than other fruits too).

Could you swap the fruit for salad with avocado, cheese, or whatever meat or fish you enjoy?

I am trying to cut my carbs so if I was having bolognaise I would have more of the meat, or veggie mince in my case, and skip the spaghetti.

Testing yourself will help you to learn what foods you can eat freely, what you can cope with in small amounts, and the ones to try and avoid.

Have a good look at the site for menu ideas and recipes which might give you some ideas for things you can adapt.

The information from other members has opened my eyes That what I thought was a healthy diet was in many ways very wrong for me now.

Confusing times but you will find what works for you to get back in control.
 
Look at the total carbs as all carbs turn to sugar so less carbs = less sugar. I don't tend to look too closely at the fat content as I find that full fat is better for me than low or half fat - again less sugar and carbs. Hope this helps
 
Well, I must personally thank you Donnellysdogs, Enclave & SueB743! You have all told me things that no doctor, nurse or dietitian has ever told me. "Carbs increase hunger", if only I'd known that sooner, I probably wouldn't be on 4 Metformin a day now! I am a little worried as, the Met are only just keeping my BG around 7.0, so your info will definitely help me get back on track, I'm sure of that. So I was worried about the carbs bit of where it says 'as sugar' whereas, I should have been just reading 'carbs'. I thought we all needed carbs to keep going, for energy & all that. The only question I have left for now is, as you say 'don't have low fat, have full fat'. The question is should I? As I have always had a problem with cholesterol/triglycerides & worry about full fat things because of that. However though, I am on a daily statin, which I suppose should be keeping them under control. Many thanks, all of you.
 
My total went up when I increased dairy such as cheese n cream daily. As essentially I haven't ate fat much at all..50 + years and also lower carber for 50years too. Just never ate enough fat...

They didn't do a breakdown for me but my hubbys all went in wrong direction.

However. I started eating oily fish and white fish, avocado and olives and Waitrose Olive spread on veg and also loads and loads of oil dressing. A few grates of feta cheese is all I have cheese wise now. I do still have full fat milk though.

My recent breakdowns were excellent. Hdl gone up to 2.1 trigs
are now back down again to what they have always been. 0.6.

After the heavy dairy fat my hubby was put on 49mg atoravastatin. His results were excellent too. 3.0 for total. His hdl remains low but I think the statins contributed to this. So he has now halved the statin to 20mg with bloods again in August.

The only processed foods we eat are battered cod n scraps fromM&S. I've always cooked from fresh for as long as I remember. Oh and my 2 dark squares of choc daily.

I thought I hated all these foods but now I absolutely love them. Really love them to the point where choc n avocado mousse is made etc now.

I also have chia and flaxseed but thats because of keeping my stomach good due to slow colonic transit.
 
We are all individual and many people go full on high fat. It didn't work for us but there ate many that it has. However our diet is totally meditereanean now and that suits us.
 
Just had my statins stopped as my cholesterol has returned to normal boarding low after being on the LCHF diet ! I do also have heart failure that is improving since the high fat low carb diet !
 
Just had my statins stopped as my cholesterol has returned to normal boarding low after being on the LCHF diet ! I do also have heart failure that is improving since the high fat low carb diet !


Result enclave- brilliant!! See we are all so individual but at end of day higher fats do work!! Whether dairy/saturated loaded or meditereanean we've seen improvements!!

So pleased for you!!
 
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