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Carb flu - how to get past it?

I can't even imagine how it could be considered ethical.

Nor can I. This is back to the OP. Bad work and it's up to him ..... The HCP? What the hell would they know? HE knows and HE hides it. He is in a bad way and unless he admits it, he's on a path to an early departure.
 
Despite my earlier annoyance at @akindrat18, leading us all over the place with his tales of how low carb was making him ill, and his mother's assertion that it was low carb diet that hospitalised him recently, now that he has 'come clean' and told us of his secret 'snacking', I am with @Jaylee in rooting for akindrat18 again.

@akindrat18, you are playing Russian roulette now, and running out of time to save yourself. I believe you have it in mind that insulin would mean you could carry on snacking and adjust amount of insulin to compensate for that? Hope I am wrong. How about getting support from counselling, getting some support and encouragement here, and seriously being honest with all concerned. Even when you have resorted to 'snacking' when you didn't mean to. Own it man. Addiction to any substance is a dreadful affliction, but not insurmountable, but you have to be proactive.

I don't believe that switching on to insulin will solve all my problems, but it may help me as I'm constantly waking up every hour or two hours to go the toilet and also to drink a pint of water. I'm also dealing with a diet coke addiction and since the beginning of the month, I've only had 2 500ml bottles of diet coke and have felt dreadful without having diet coke everyday. The one thing that I find difficult with cutting out carbs is the idea of banning a single food group.

@akindrat18

Son. Wake up or sleep way before your time. @GeoffersTaylor nailed you perfectly. You MUST change your life.

I know I need to change my life, it is just so darn difficult. I'm awake most nights getting up to go toilet, go downstairs and have a drink or something to snack on as I feel hungry.
 
Why is it so difficult for you when countless thousands of others have coped? Tell me that?

Tell us.

Diet coke is not good. You MUST take this head on. I'm 61. Wanna get to my age? Then live as if you think you will.

A waste of a life given away to this at your young age is just dumb. You don't have an addiction to DC, you have a habit. BREAK the damned thing. Four or five weeks of hard effort and you'll look back and think "what the hell?"

Worked for me. You are better than this

Insulin is NOT the way you wanna go. Keep walking, keep losing weight and try that along with dietary changes. Ignore anyone who suggests otherwise.
 
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Why is it so difficult for you when countless thousands of others have coped? Tell me that?

Tell us.

Diet coke is not good. You MUST take this head on. I'm 61. Wanna get to my age? Then live as if you think you will.

A waste of a life given away to this at your young age is just dumb. You don't have an addiction to DC, you have a habit. BREAK the damned thing. Four or five weeks of hard effort and you'll look back and think "what the hell?"

Worked for me. You are better than this

Insulin is NOT the way you wanna go. Keep walking, keep losing weight and try that along with dietary changes. Ignore anyone who suggests otherwise.
It's going to be safer for him to go walking once his suspected foot infection has cleared, don't you think?

akindrat, on that note, you might want to ensure you have well-fitting shoes for walking, because if they don't fit well, the skin can get broken and then infection can get in. Once it gets in, it's hard to treat when you have hyperglycaemia, and ongoing ulcers and amputation are possibilities. Do you think you might have gotten a blister during your sponsored walk?

Aquajogging can be a really good form of exercise when we have excess weight as it's easier on the joints and feet.
 
I bow to the experience of the DCUK sage. Forgive me as I was talking to the OP.
No need for rudeness, hard as it is for you to break the habit. You've twice told him to go walking, after he said he may have a foot infection.
 
Hi akindrat, I'm back in too. This may not go down well with you or anyone else, but it's what I'm seeing right now so I'll say it.

As I and many others have said, you need help to overcome your eating disorder. That's not the only thing I see in you though. I think you need attention from others to survive (not your fault, you need counselling for this too). I think this is why you keep self sabotaging. You start on a path and then need to call out for help - to us, your parents, your HCPs, your friends ...anyone. That attention seems to be as important to you (maybe more important even) as the food in my opinion.

Please, please stop this madness now. I understand why someone here thinks that insulin is a good idea for you because you are already suffering the early consequences of high blood sugars. I also understand why others think it is a bad idea. You are obese (like me) more insulin will only make things worse, although it is coming to the point when that will soon be your only option.

My fear for you is that once you are on insulin you will suffer even greater swings with highs and lows and this will then feed the need for more attention. You need to step outside this vicious circle now. Speak to your Mum, and get her to help you. I'm sure she will, but you have to realise that you are solely responsible for your own eating and health. You can't blame her for what you put in your mouth, you are an adult.

So start right now. You know diet coke is bad for you, you know pizza is bad for you. What you don't know is how to love yourself enough to stop harming yourself in this way. That's why you need so much support from others. Well if we all put in this much time and effort to help you then we must think you are worth it. You need to believe you are worth it too, because you are.

OK so you feel dreadful when you stop having diet coke and carbs. Try seeing this as a positive thing that you are clearing the junk from your system. That horrid feeling will pass eventually as long as you don't go back to your old ways. Just how dreadful do you think you will feel when you start to have toes amputated? That's permanent dreadful, not simply a temporary headache, shaking, flu like symptoms. I know which I'd rather have. So you get hungry? Eat more fat. Stop making excuses and stop blaming others.

Do it right now and this time don't look back. Don't weaken, you don't have time for anymore slip ups. Every time you are tempted think how much you would hate further complications. Find treats that aren't related to food. Food is only a fuel. Stop putting diesel into your petrol engine. You have dithered over this issue for over 3 years. Some others have said time is running out. I think it has run out for you. It's now or never.

You really do need to do this for yourself. You are the one who is going to suffer the dire consequences of possible amputation and blindness if you don't and we won't be able to help you with that at all.

Yes, that was harsh, but you really do need to act now and stick to it.

edit: I once told you I thought you could do this. I still believe you can, you need to believe it too.
Good luck :)
 
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The one thing that I find difficult with cutting out carbs is the idea of banning a single food group.

It's hard to keep track of this thread, but once you get past the bickering and personal agendas we still keep returning to the same single thing.

You will not take responsibility for your actions, and are looking for the easy option.

I'm not sure why you continue on this thread, because nobody will give you what you want, which is support for you to continue thinking there is an easy option.

NEWSFLASH: There is NO easy option, no silver bullet, no wonder drug that will allow you to continue your life in the same selfish reckless way.

Man up, son.

Face the facts, and start making the most of your life rather than the least of it..
 
I don't think akindrat is selfish, reckless, weak or immature. I think he has health issues and needs professional care. He's told us he is seeing a counsellor. I don't think browbeating a person is an effective way to help them.
 
C'mon......PLEASE

This kid is rushing headlong along a path that will lead to an early grave after a life of pain and suffering.

Leave your ego's by the door, refrain from commenting on others posts, stop bickering and try to get the OP to see sense, however you choose to do so.
 
Re the exercise - of course exercise is good for you generally (providing you don't exacerbate any injuries you have). Exercise is not the main key to weight loss though. Food is the most important factor. It's no use trying to walk off a slice of pizza at this stage. Exercise needs to be in addition to a low carb diet, not a substitute for it.

So yes, walk when you can. That's great, but please don't reward yourself with carbs afterwards. I am speaking out of my own experience here. Exercise makes me hungry and carbs are the quickest and easiest thing to reach for. Make sure you don't fall into the same trap I did. Don't fool yourself that it's OK to have carbs as a treat because you have exercised. Maybe in a few years time it will be, but you need to get back on the right track and stay there for a while first.

I'm looking forward to you telling us how you have turned your life around. :) Just do it :)
 
I've deleted a number of posts in this thread due to rudeness, bickering or quoting a previously deleted post.

The thread was getting out of hand and difficult to read. None of that is helping the OP. Please keep your comments polite and on topic. People who continue to disrupt the thread may be banned from posting in this particular thread.

Let's get back to helpful suggestions for the OP, please.
 
@akindrat – I haven’t posted on your thread for ages and ages, as I felt I had said all I could in any attempt to help you months ago, and having reiterated it several times, I felt I would save myself the keystrokes, but here I am.

I stand utterly fast on my belief that the absolute key to control of T2 diabetes is every morsel we put in our mouths, followed, in most cases by the style and dose of any medication, then finessed by exercise and general activity. None of that belief is altered by your apparent experiences or your journey so far.

I really am sorry you’re having a hard time with all of this for whatever reason, but your eating is critical to it all. I’m not suggesting you don’t deep down know this, but also, as I have said before, you need to dig deep to make a difference to your own situation. We can all have the most fabulous ideas of how we would do it or how we would feel in your shoes, but that’s completely irrelevant. You and only you are the one who can walk the walk to make a difference to your life.

It isn’t something I have posted about on here, and I never thought I would, but I will. But, in my late 20s I suffered an eating disorder. For me it was rather the opposite of yours, in that I starved myself to a point near death. I was living overseas at the time, and my parents had to fly out to say goodbye to me. Yes, I was that close to death. Please trust me when I say you never, ever want to see the look I saw in both my parents eyes on the days they arrived. They were utterly broken hearted. At that moment; twice, 2 days apart (as they had had to travel separately for reasons I won’t bother with here) I knew that I just had to do something for myself to change and try my hardest to come back from the brink. Suddenly, I had my reason to change. Everyone needs their reason to change. Don’t you allow yourself to be in the position in which I found myself. Every day since, for the last 30 years I am thankful that I had that opportunity, and that I got extremely lucky in being able to turn around the behavioural juggernaut that was taking me rapidly to the exit I am pleased to say I have made a full recovery and miraculously suffered no long term effects, aside from infertility, which may or may not have been an issue, without my eating disorder. We’ll simply never know on that point. But in reality, my kidneys, liver, heart and all other vital systems work completely normally. How flippin’ fortunate am I? And maybe that explains my up-beat approach to diabetes and how I have tackled it. I have vowed never to be taken on a wave of defeatism by a condition I can influence by my own actions. Of course, I accept some things can’t be influenced, and I have to hope I can stave such conditions off for a very long time.

But, back to you. I have done quite a bit of reading about insulin therapy and will make a few comments now. These are not advice. These are observations, which I am hopeful someone actually using insulin (T1 or T2 – probably doesn’t matter) will counter comment on some of the points I may make.

But, it is my firm belief that insulin really is a balancing act, and a tricky one at that. I could be so bold as to state that I believe T1s who do not produce any insulin of their own may have it slightly easier than T2s who can often already be awash with insulin, but who can’t use it effectively, due to insulin resistance. But, that’s not the thrust of what I wanted to say.

Bottom line is that, in my belief, using insulin has a greater potential to lead you into higher highs and lower lows. If your eating is not under control, with additional insulin in your system, you may eat more unfavourable foods even that now. Clearly that’s speculation. But I have read so many times that insulin stimulates hunger. So many people new to taking insulin gain weight because they get hungry and eat more. Without being too personal, I think we would probably violently agree you neither need to eat more nor would gaining weight do you any favours.

There are many T1s on here who eat a low carb diet because it helps then reduce the amount of insulin they take, which in turn leads to a kinder hunger pattern and that in turn can impact on weight loss/stability/gain.

Again to reiterate that this statement is a general one, and not aimed at you, or anyone else, but it has to be said, in my view. If a T2, with significant insulin resistance is started on insulin and diet not controlled then it would be difficult to both estimate regular dosages and secondly to manage weight. Going on a hyper<>hypo<>hyper<>hypo roller coaster is something nobody needs, but without any dietary control, it’s a bit like buying an open season ticket to the ride. Another analogy would be like someone with depression being prescribed “uppers” to control the downs, then when in a manic up phase, being prescribed “downers” to bring them down, then giving them an open prescription to access the drugs at will.

I appreciate I may have made radical points here, but I’m trying my hardest to help you akindrat. I don’t intend rejoining this thread regularly as I can really only repeat myself so many times without boring even myself.

But good luck with it. You need to step back, think hard, dig deep and DO SOMETHING. My feeling is that you are currently standing at a fork in life’s road and you must take care not to choose a one way street.
 
@akindrat – I haven’t posted on your thread for ages and ages, as I felt I had said all I could in any attempt to help you months ago, and having reiterated it several times, I felt I would save myself the keystrokes, but here I am.

I stand utterly fast on my belief that the absolute key to control of T2 diabetes is every morsel we put in our mouths, followed, in most cases by the style and dose of any medication, then finessed by exercise and general activity. None of that belief is altered by your apparent experiences or your journey so far.

I really am sorry you’re having a hard time with all of this for whatever reason, but your eating is critical to it all. I’m not suggesting you don’t deep down know this, but also, as I have said before, you need to dig deep to make a difference to your own situation. We can all have the most fabulous ideas of how we would do it or how we would feel in your shoes, but that’s completely irrelevant. You and only you are the one who can walk the walk to make a difference to your life.

It isn’t something I have posted about on here, and I never thought I would, but I will. But, in my late 20s I suffered an eating disorder. For me it was rather the opposite of yours, in that I starved myself to a point near death. I was living overseas at the time, and my parents had to fly out to say goodbye to me. Yes, I was that close to death. Please trust me when I say you never, ever want to see the look I saw in both my parents eyes on the days they arrived. They were utterly broken hearted. At that moment; twice, 2 days apart (as they had had to travel separately for reasons I won’t bother with here) I knew that I just had to do something for myself to change and try my hardest to come back from the brink. Suddenly, I had my reason to change. Everyone needs their reason to change. Don’t you allow yourself to be in the position in which I found myself. Every day since, for the last 30 years I am thankful that I had that opportunity, and that I got extremely lucky in being able to turn around the behavioural juggernaut that was taking me rapidly to the exit I am pleased to say I have made a full recovery and miraculously suffered no long term effects, aside from infertility, which may or may not have been an issue, without my eating disorder. We’ll simply never know on that point. But in reality, my kidneys, liver, heart and all other vital systems work completely normally. How flippin’ fortunate am I? And maybe that explains my up-beat approach to diabetes and how I have tackled it. I have vowed never to be taken on a wave of defeatism by a condition I can influence by my own actions. Of course, I accept some things can’t be influenced, and I have to hope I can stave such conditions off for a very long time.

But, back to you. I have done quite a bit of reading about insulin therapy and will make a few comments now. These are not advice. These are observations, which I am hopeful someone actually using insulin (T1 or T2 – probably doesn’t matter) will counter comment on some of the points I may make.

But, it is my firm belief that insulin really is a balancing act, and a tricky one at that. I could be so bold as to state that I believe T1s who do not produce any insulin of their own may have it slightly easier than T2s who can often already be awash with insulin, but who can’t use it effectively, due to insulin resistance. But, that’s not the thrust of what I wanted to say.

Bottom line is that, in my belief, using insulin has a greater potential to lead you into higher highs and lower lows. If your eating is not under control, with additional insulin in your system, you may eat more unfavourable foods even that now. Clearly that’s speculation. But I have read so many times that insulin stimulates hunger. So many people new to taking insulin gain weight because they get hungry and eat more. Without being too personal, I think we would probably violently agree you neither need to eat more nor would gaining weight do you any favours.

There are many T1s on here who eat a low carb diet because it helps then reduce the amount of insulin they take, which in turn leads to a kinder hunger pattern and that in turn can impact on weight loss/stability/gain.

Again to reiterate that this statement is a general one, and not aimed at you, or anyone else, but it has to be said, in my view. If a T2, with significant insulin resistance is started on insulin and diet not controlled then it would be difficult to both estimate regular dosages and secondly to manage weight. Going on a hyper<>hypo<>hyper<>hypo roller coaster is something nobody needs, but without any dietary control, it’s a bit like buying an open season ticket to the ride. Another analogy would be like someone with depression being prescribed “uppers” to control the downs, then when in a manic up phase, being prescribed “downers” to bring them down, then giving them an open prescription to access the drugs at will.

I appreciate I may have made radical points here, but I’m trying my hardest to help you akindrat. I don’t intend rejoining this thread regularly as I can really only repeat myself so many times without boring even myself.

But good luck with it. You need to step back, think hard, dig deep and DO SOMETHING. My feeling is that you are currently standing at a fork in life’s road and you must take care not to choose a one way street.

You got a standing ovation from one T1. :cool:
 
Wise words, @AndBreathe , and very generous of you to share something so personal about your past.
I really hope @akindrat18 can learn from your experience, and take the right road himself.
 
Wise words, @AndBreathe , and very generous of you to share something so personal about your past.
I really hope @akindrat18 can learn from your experience, and take the right road himself.

Thanks Pipp.

When one is in a bit of a hole with these things it's easy to think nobody understands and nobody else has been there. That's the only reason I posted it. It is very private and it can still stir up emotions when I think back to my poor folks during that time, but I like to think I've learned a valuable lesson along the way, and it influenced some of my positivity and certainly my self-belief.

Just one final thing I didn't put in there was at the time I really feared getting better because I feared I would be in a behavioural revolving door with getting better <> going off track and that that would be lifelong thing. I was advised I'd be much more inclined to find a new "addiction" if I re-entered a period of self destruction. Still 30 years on, I worried when I was diagnosed that I could really get the hang of over enthusiastically restricted eating again, bearing in mind my need to cut the carbs. (And that was also one of the reasons I didn't weight myself for such a long time. I didn't want to get into a competition with myself over weight.) But, I'm delighted to say that the psychiatrist who advised me was correct. Thus far, I haven't found any new addictions that have carried me away.
 
@akindrat – I haven’t posted on your thread for ages and ages, as I felt I had said all I could in any attempt to help you months ago, and having reiterated it several times, I felt I would save myself the keystrokes, but here I am.

I stand utterly fast on my belief that the absolute key to control of T2 diabetes is every morsel we put in our mouths, followed, in most cases by the style and dose of any medication, then finessed by exercise and general activity. None of that belief is altered by your apparent experiences or your journey so far.

I really am sorry you’re having a hard time with all of this for whatever reason, but your eating is critical to it all. I’m not suggesting you don’t deep down know this, but also, as I have said before, you need to dig deep to make a difference to your own situation. We can all have the most fabulous ideas of how we would do it or how we would feel in your shoes, but that’s completely irrelevant. You and only you are the one who can walk the walk to make a difference to your life.

It isn’t something I have posted about on here, and I never thought I would, but I will. But, in my late 20s I suffered an eating disorder. For me it was rather the opposite of yours, in that I starved myself to a point near death. I was living overseas at the time, and my parents had to fly out to say goodbye to me. Yes, I was that close to death. Please trust me when I say you never, ever want to see the look I saw in both my parents eyes on the days they arrived. They were utterly broken hearted. At that moment; twice, 2 days apart (as they had had to travel separately for reasons I won’t bother with here) I knew that I just had to do something for myself to change and try my hardest to come back from the brink. Suddenly, I had my reason to change. Everyone needs their reason to change. Don’t you allow yourself to be in the position in which I found myself. Every day since, for the last 30 years I am thankful that I had that opportunity, and that I got extremely lucky in being able to turn around the behavioural juggernaut that was taking me rapidly to the exit I am pleased to say I have made a full recovery and miraculously suffered no long term effects, aside from infertility, which may or may not have been an issue, without my eating disorder. We’ll simply never know on that point. But in reality, my kidneys, liver, heart and all other vital systems work completely normally. How flippin’ fortunate am I? And maybe that explains my up-beat approach to diabetes and how I have tackled it. I have vowed never to be taken on a wave of defeatism by a condition I can influence by my own actions. Of course, I accept some things can’t be influenced, and I have to hope I can stave such conditions off for a very long time.

But, back to you. I have done quite a bit of reading about insulin therapy and will make a few comments now. These are not advice. These are observations, which I am hopeful someone actually using insulin (T1 or T2 – probably doesn’t matter) will counter comment on some of the points I may make.

But, it is my firm belief that insulin really is a balancing act, and a tricky one at that. I could be so bold as to state that I believe T1s who do not produce any insulin of their own may have it slightly easier than T2s who can often already be awash with insulin, but who can’t use it effectively, due to insulin resistance. But, that’s not the thrust of what I wanted to say.

Bottom line is that, in my belief, using insulin has a greater potential to lead you into higher highs and lower lows. If your eating is not under control, with additional insulin in your system, you may eat more unfavourable foods even that now. Clearly that’s speculation. But I have read so many times that insulin stimulates hunger. So many people new to taking insulin gain weight because they get hungry and eat more. Without being too personal, I think we would probably violently agree you neither need to eat more nor would gaining weight do you any favours.

There are many T1s on here who eat a low carb diet because it helps then reduce the amount of insulin they take, which in turn leads to a kinder hunger pattern and that in turn can impact on weight loss/stability/gain.

Again to reiterate that this statement is a general one, and not aimed at you, or anyone else, but it has to be said, in my view. If a T2, with significant insulin resistance is started on insulin and diet not controlled then it would be difficult to both estimate regular dosages and secondly to manage weight. Going on a hyper<>hypo<>hyper<>hypo roller coaster is something nobody needs, but without any dietary control, it’s a bit like buying an open season ticket to the ride. Another analogy would be like someone with depression being prescribed “uppers” to control the downs, then when in a manic up phase, being prescribed “downers” to bring them down, then giving them an open prescription to access the drugs at will.

I appreciate I may have made radical points here, but I’m trying my hardest to help you akindrat. I don’t intend rejoining this thread regularly as I can really only repeat myself so many times without boring even myself.

But good luck with it. You need to step back, think hard, dig deep and DO SOMETHING. My feeling is that you are currently standing at a fork in life’s road and you must take care not to choose a one way street.

Beautiful post @AndBreathe

And thank you for being so honest about your past experiences.

Please Akindrat, take Andbreathe's post to heart. She has given you something very precious.
 
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