Symptoms due to going from high sugars to much lower sugars quickly

Laurieluv

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@Mbaker thank you for your reply. How long from your diagnosis until you were in remission? I fee like I might be pushing my body a bit too far at the moment. I’ve lost 30 pounds this past month, switched into ketosis, and lowered my blood sugars but I am still on a low dose of insulin due to how high I was when I was first diagnosed. I have had to cut the dose in half to 10 units and might be completely off of it very soon. I am hoping doctor will test me for insulin production since there is a great aunt and uncle who passed away from LADA. I have been overweight for some time and had reactive hypoglycemia when I was younger which is why the specialist believes me to be a type 2.
 

Laurieluv

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@rosemaree I agree the pins/tingling and the cramps seem to be the last to go. For now I am trying to take it easy, I was enjoying getting back into exercising but I am on rest now due to the surgery.

Thanks for the advice and kind words!
 

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@Mbaker thank you for your reply. How long from your diagnosis until you were in remission? I fee like I might be pushing my body a bit too far at the moment. I’ve lost 30 pounds this past month, switched into ketosis, and lowered my blood sugars but I am still on a low dose of insulin due to how high I was when I was first diagnosed. I have had to cut the dose in half to 10 units and might be completely off of it very soon. I am hoping doctor will test me for insulin production since there is a great aunt and uncle who passed away from LADA. I have been overweight for some time and had reactive hypoglycemia when I was younger which is why the specialist believes me to be a type 2.
I was unlucky that I didn't find this site right away. Without knowing what I was doing within a week I had dropped fasting blood glucose from 20 to 16 on no drugs, but was still put on Metformin - I was still eating home made soda bread and bannas cake (if only I knew). I did not know remission was possible, but embarked on walking and static cycling. I started to see I could get from 8's to 4's and suffered what I now know to be hypo like symptoms.

I went on a diabetes education course where I told the 2 educators about my exercise results, one replied not possible without drugs. I smelt a rat as I am a techy and started more research. Persons on this site made me believe remission was possible. After circa 9 months I got to a 41 A1c, but was doing stacks of exercise and alot of roasted vegetables.

I took the plunge into keto and you can see my avatar shows a flatish graph for several years, I also dropped Metformin. My A1c is either 37 or 35.5 depending on where I get my tests from. I have a bit of discordance as my A1c stays the same although my blood sugar measurements are better by a point (e.g fbg from 5.4 ish to 4.4). Libre results say estimate of 22 for about the last 3 years, A1cNow+ averages 31 ish around 8 tests.

The bottom line is officially in remission since Jan 2018, but under 42 for almost 5 years. When I had fbg of around 5.4 I mentally believed I could go lower because of the results others were posting every morning; something opened up, I am not sure if is bloody mindedness combined with consistency and belief, but on less exerise (more focused) and Keto, 4.7's became 4.4's and with specific exercise 3.8's. I rowed back, because no matter how low my numbers the A1C was not shifting, so I have satisfied myself with putting on more muscle and watching other markers. I have done carnivore and achieved similar A1c's and fbg.

I now include beetroot, occasional orange, butternut squash, but am mainly keto carnivore on average. I do very focused resistance and weight training with walking.
 

Laurieluv

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@Mbaker Thank you for sharing your journey with me. It is making me feel more inspired and less hopeless! I was devastated upon my diagnosis. I felt I had destroyed my health and was destined for my health to continue to decline. I am happy I have found this forum and the wonderfully kind people on it!
 
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Mbaker

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@Mbaker Thank you for sharing your journey with me. It is making me feel more inspired and less hopeless! I was devastated upon my diagnosis. I felt I had destroyed my health and was destined for my health to continue to decline. I am happy I have found this forum and the wonderfully kind people on it!
You're welcome. Type 2 diabetes is s weird condition. In many cases the individual can almost choose the level of reversal by lifestyle. But is it is like wearing a white shirt whilst eating tomatoes soup and trying not to splash any on it. The temptation to try to go back to previous ways is a massive draw. Diabetes is a relentless foe who lurks waiting for a slip up.

At the same time it is one of the few potentially fatal / life changing / limiting conditions that "we" can mitigate. Even if remission isn't reached, major improvement and potential avoidance of complications is completely possible and probable if sacrifices are made.

The sacrifices are mentally a challenge but technically easy (and hard in the face of high carb societies) on the protocol I follow - no rice, pasta, potatoes, grain based foods, vegetable oils, sugars, cereals and fake foods. Sounds restrictive, but I have beef, lamb, pork, chicken, fish, seafood - this alone allows for infinite combinations, from West Indian, Chinese, Italian, Indian, etc. Non starchy veg, such as courgettes, cabbage, greens, green beans, mushrooms, asparagus, tomatoes, broccoli and similar (I can tolerate butternut squash). For desserts, coconut, some nuts, dark chocolate, dairy, low carb bakes, fruit being all berries (I now can have the occasional orange and last week an apple off the tree in my garden - these later 2 items should only come into the diet when insulin sensitive in my view).

It can be as simple as mince meat, onions, mushrooms and cauliflower rice, with almond pancakes with berries. When eating out this is hardly slumming it:

Oysters:
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Beef, mushrooms, onions, tomatoes & Vegetables (very easy to swap chips for veg and remove any sugary items):
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Cheese with Celery (got extra hard cheese in place of biscuits):
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Laurieluv

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You're welcome. Type 2 diabetes is s weird condition. In many cases the individual can almost choose the level of reversal by lifestyle. But is it is like wearing a white shirt whilst eating tomatoes soup and trying not to splash any on it. The temptation to try to go back to previous ways is a massive draw. Diabetes is a relentless foe who lurks waiting for a slip up.

At the same time it is one of the few potentially fatal / life changing / limiting conditions that "we" can mitigate. Even if remission isn't reached, major improvement and potential avoidance of complications is completely possible and probable if sacrifices are made.

The sacrifices are mentally a challenge but technically easy (and hard in the face of high carb societies) on the protocol I follow - no rice, pasta, potatoes, grain based foods, vegetable oils, sugars, cereals and fake foods. Sounds restrictive, but I have beef, lamb, pork, chicken, fish, seafood - this alone allows for infinite combinations, from West Indian, Chinese, Italian, Indian, etc. Non starchy veg, such as courgettes, cabbage, greens, green beans, mushrooms, asparagus, tomatoes, broccoli and similar (I can tolerate butternut squash). For desserts, coconut, some nuts, dark chocolate, dairy, low carb bakes, fruit being all berries (I now can have the occasional orange and last week an apple off the tree in my garden - these later 2 items should only come into the diet when insulin sensitive in my view).

It can be as simple as mince meat, onions, mushrooms and cauliflower rice, with almond pancakes with berries. When eating out this is hardly slumming it:

Oysters:
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Beef, mushrooms, onions, tomatoes & Vegetables (very easy to swap chips for veg and remove any sugary items):
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Cheese with Celery (got extra hard cheese in place of biscuits):
View attachment 44298


I have experience with keto and so the dietary transition has been pretty simple for me. Isn't it amusing how a healthy diet for us is the opposite of dietary guidelines? Your photos look absolutely delicious!
 

Laurieluv

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Hi @Laurieluv, not related to the post but I just had a question, I remembered reading something about you having reactive hypoglycemia as a child and had to come back to it, how where you diagnosed?

I always feel like I had 'problems' with sugar, since I was small, but doctors have always blown me off as by the time I was old enough and asking questions I was overweight. I seem to attract the worse doctors and am still trying to find someone who is willing to work with me and investigate some of these things,


Ever since I was a young child I had naturally gravitated toward a lower carb diet with small and frequent meals. I would feel unwell after eating a more “normal” diet. As I got older trying to maintain that way of eating became more difficult and I began to suffer from nausea, anxiety, and fatigue. My mother is a nurse and had a suspicion that it might have something to do with my blood sugars due to diabetes being on both sides of my family. We checked my sugars and sure enough I did have reactive hypoglycemia. As I got older I didn’t take my health as seriously as I should have and ate whatever I wanted. Always feeling miserable. I would on and off return to low carb/keto but wouldn’t maintain long term. I then began consuming more sugar and carb filled products to counter the hypos I was experiencing. Eventually they had stopped and I didn’t think much of it. My doctors had been aware of my reactive hypos and even when I was in the prediabetic range. No one bothered to educate me or to discuss how serious the situation could become.
 

ivan 2

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Nothing to worry about and do not be impatient.
1.Medications
2.Healthy diet is very simple: eat what poor Victorians practiced before the invention of processed food.At the time there were very few obese people;vegetables and vegetables.For example, lentil soup will give you everything you need,eat whatever is green.
3.At least 5 miles walk every day.
And wait to see significant improvement.Good luck.
 

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You can get 'the wobblies' or false hypos, when your brain has a bit of a tantrum at being denied the lovely sugary bath it has become used to, but there is also 'carb flu' which feels worse. I think the former is more easily dealt with, a drink and a tiny amount of carb will usually reassure, but the 'flu' is more likely an imbalance of electrolytes, so such things as bone broth are advised - though I'd also try a multi vitamin and mineral for a few days.

@Resurgam I read that electrolytes is also water and ( sea) salt with some lemon juice for taste.I s that alright?I went low carb a week ago .I could have carb flu.
 

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Hello All!

I am recently diagnosed and still learning quite a bit. I was wondering if anyone had experienced symptoms when going from pretty high sugars to almost normal range sugars in a week. I feel like my body is going through the ringer at the moment.

Hi. I go from pretty high to pretty low in a day especially if I exercise or don't eat regularly. I get light headed disorientated and hand tremors. Chocolate biscuit usually does the trick
 

Laurieluv

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Hi. I go from pretty high to pretty low in a day especially if I exercise or don't eat regularly. I get light headed disorientated and hand tremors. Chocolate biscuit usually does the trick

have you tried a lower carb diet?
 

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@Resurgam I read that electrolytes is also water and ( sea) salt with some lemon juice for taste.I s that alright?I went low carb a week ago .I could have carb flu.
When rehydrating the mix is a small amount of salt and double that amount of sugar - so lemon juice and salt would do that - though I always have multivitamin and mineral tablets around - often for rather a long time as months might pass without taking one, but once in a while I take one, just in cast I need something in them.
You could also try adding in a small amount of mixed salad stuff just to give access to micronutrients in their natural environment.
 
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I have had T1 for almost 7 years; I am 75 years old. Within the past few months I have eventually found I can control my Blood Sugar level but also I have started getting terrible pains in 1 foot & slightly less pain in the other. This happens especially at night & it is very uncomfortable & sometimes I have to get up & walk about.
I have no such problems during the day; I play golf & walk 18 holes without any problem. Any ideas how I can overcome the 'nightly' affects? Thanks
 

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When rehydrating the mix is a small amount of salt and double that amount of sugar - so lemon juice and salt would do that - though I always have multivitamin and mineral tablets around - often for rather a long time as months might pass without taking one, but once in a while I take one, just in cast I need something in them.
You could also try adding in a small amount of mixed salad stuff just to give access to micronutrients in their natural environment.
Thanks !I also read up on Ayurvedic medicine and had some kanji rice water( it’s the water you boil brown rice in) I had to replace hydration very rapidly so was scouring the internet. It replaces vital nutrients lost and rehydrates as well.
Kanji rice water is : 1 part brown rice; 14 parts water. Boil until rice is soft and swollen( about 3/4 hour-long time for brown rice). Drain the rice -keeping the water ,-add some salt to this water and drink.
 
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Jilly1958

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I had all sorts of weird things as I went low carb, mostly only one at a time over a few weeks
Fluey feeling
Blurry eyes
Skin crawling
Skin drying
Headache
Migraine
Sweats
Dizzyness
Palpitations
But I would do it all again. I feel so much better now now my sugars are lower. Its worth it. Stick with it
Hello
I was reading your reply I have been diabetic for a year I have lost 4 stone which I am very pleased about But I have a few of the symptoms you have listed above I can’t seem to work out why, I wonder if you can help me
 

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I had all sorts of weird things as I went low carb, mostly only one at a time over a few weeks
Fluey feeling
Blurry eyes
Skin crawling
Skin drying
Headache
Migraine
Sweats
Dizzyness
Palpitations
But I would do it all again. I feel so much better now now my sugars are lower. Its worth it. Stick with it

About how long before you felt normal again? Does that really happen? I am working so hard at it, and mostly, eating low carb is coming easier every day. I get discouraged when yet another symptom pulls me down like the headaches, sweats and yes, a fluey feeling.
 

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I had nothing on the way up, got hit with everything on the way down.
First I had background retinopathy, then frozen thigh muscle, tingling in the feet (neuropathy), insomnia, anxiety, faux hypos, constipation . . . but I had an unyielding belief that it was for the greater good.
All of this through Lockdown made it even more fun.

But then the little victories came, your first 5 fasting, your first <7.8 2 hour pp after something carby, your first lab results with non-diabetic HbA1c, your first 34" jeans in 20 years.
It took about 12 months for all my above issues to resolve . .. it was all worth it
 

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About how long before you felt normal again? Does that really happen? I am working so hard at it, and mostly, eating low carb is coming easier every day. I get discouraged when yet another symptom pulls me down like the headaches, sweats and yes, a fluey feeling.
It's difficult to say as I was also catapulted into lockdown at the same time and the emotions and stress of that may well have played a part too. I think over about 3 -4 months the flueys and neurological symptoms went. My weight was steadily dropping and seems to have leveled off after about 9 months, or down to a normal bmi. I did suddenly have some odd nerve feelings the other day but only for a few days and I now tell myself its just my body coming to life again. I was migraines free for about 6 months but have just had a spate. Overall I am much better for being low carb. I do still get evening and night sweats but that I think is age rather than bg. I have tested bg and temperature and its neither of those.
Our bodies are complex aren't they?
 
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It's difficult to say as I was also catapulted into lockdown at the same time and the emotions and stress of that may well have played a part too. I think over about 3 -4 months the flueys and neurological symptoms went. My weight was steadily dropping and seems to have leveled off after about 9 months, or down to a normal bmi. I did suddenly have some odd nerve feelings the other day but only for a few days and I now tell myself its just my body coming to life again. I was migraines free for about 6 months but have just had a spate. Overall I am much better for being low carb. I do still get evening and night sweats but that I think is age rather than bg. I have tested bg and temperature and its neither of those.
Our bodies are complex aren't they?
Yes @MrsA2, and sometimes I wish I could just it in the the doctor's hands and be confident in that. I just never will be again, pretty sure of that.

Well, I can see that it isn't a quick fix, but I also see a lot of joy around the forum of people succeeding, because they don't give up ;) So I won't either. :)
 
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, because they don't give up ;)
I don't see giving up as an option. The downsides are just so terrible, frequent peeing at the very least, weight gain, neuropathy and blindness, no thank you! Staying on low carb may be difficult but not bad enough for me to want to wander away