jake60 said:I think everyone should reflect for a moment on reality.
Forget the presstitutes and politicians.
Reality.
In the world of reality the NHS is actually owned by me and you ... it's ours.
We supplied not only the money but the labour too.
That's not some fancy theory it's a fact.
It's a fact that politicians and fat cats like to blur to the point of well hidden if possible.
I can't find the links just now but the American system is way down the list of countries with decent health care yet the politicians are hell bent on taking my NHS and your NHS and replacing it with an inferior one that looks after share holders first.
Here's another fact that they like to bury ... bankers and fat cat billionaires are a drain on society.
It's a fact. They receive endless benefits.
The minimum wage is a benefit first and foremost to the corporations who can continue to pay **** wages because governments step in and top them up ... tax credits do the same. Instead of the company forking out the tax payer forks out.
It's socialism for the corporations and capitalism for the peasants.
Thanks Paul and I have to admit I aint the best at explaining in print my point!paul-1976 said:jake60 said:I think everyone should reflect for a moment on reality.
Forget the presstitutes and politicians.
Reality.
In the world of reality the NHS is actually owned by me and you ... it's ours.
We supplied not only the money but the labour too.
That's not some fancy theory it's a fact.
It's a fact that politicians and fat cats like to blur to the point of well hidden if possible.
I can't find the links just now but the American system is way down the list of countries with decent health care yet the politicians are hell bent on taking my NHS and your NHS and replacing it with an inferior one that looks after share holders first.
Here's another fact that they like to bury ... bankers and fat cat billionaires are a drain on society.
It's a fact. They receive endless benefits.
The minimum wage is a benefit first and foremost to the corporations who can continue to pay **** wages because governments step in and top them up ... tax credits do the same. Instead of the company forking out the tax payer forks out.
It's socialism for the corporations and capitalism for the peasants.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the box and I had to read your post a few times over but you have hit the nail on the head there! :thumbup:
He certainly didn't have T1a (autoimmune) Since he had ketones and required insulin, it's possible that doctors in some parts of the world would have stuck him in the T1b (idiopathic) box; I know of a few people who have been put in this box (not in the UK) . The Type 2 box is a big box and as I've said before is probably a ragbag of different conditions.At presentation, he gave a past medical history of intermittent ulcerative colitis diagnosed in 1992, which was then under good control, and of appendicectomy in April 1997. He had required insulin (20–30 units per day) for prednisolone-induced diabetes during treatment for previous exacerbation of colitis. He weighed 105 kg and on examination was a very fit man. He had no diabetic complications (specifically no evidence of peripheral vascular disease) and normal peripheral sensation, power, tone and reflexes.The random blood glucose was 25 mmol/l associated with moderate ketonuria, but no proteinuria.The results of investigation suggested a diagnosis of type 2 diabetes with a negative islet cell antibody titre and detectable C-peptide.
. (above is T1, below all those like MODY, drug induced, trauma induced etc ie known causes)There are probably many different causes of this form of diabetes. Although the specific etiologies are not known, autoimmune destruction of β-cells does not occur, and patients do not have any of the other causes of diabetes listed above or below
desidiabulum said:Would it not be more helpful to talk about diabetes (as some specialists do) as a syndrome (with a huge number of possible causes), rather than a disease as such? Characterizing it as a disease is what generates the assumption that it must have a straightforward cause and only 1 or 2 types, that it is necessarily progressive, and the endless debates about whether it can be ‘cured’. ‘Metabolic disorder’, ‘health condition’ – there are various alternatives...
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