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Aaaarrrggghhh!!!!!! If one more person tells me to eat more carbs!

Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by Scandichic, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. Totto

    Totto Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Before we had any meds for diabetes, metformin, insulin or any kind, it was diet controlled.
    https://archive.org/stream/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala#page/2/mode/2up

    I was so surprised some years ago when a diabetic friend of mine came to visit. He was told by his DSN to eat a lot of bread! Now why should he do that? I never got an answer. He is t2 and on huge doses of insulin. While staying with us his bg fell and he could reduce the insulin substantially. I think he had been told to eat mostly carbs. He weighs above 100 kilo, is still gaining weight and have had two major heart attacks since.

    I could strangle his DSN.
     
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  2. Harpar

    Harpar Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    What a fantastic book. Note breads etc. forbidden.
     
  3. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi Catherine. This is not a criticism of you or other nurses, but at the higher levels of the NHS where the claim that evidence-based medicine is used for diabetes just isn't always true. There is no evidence that I'm aware of that the mantra 'have starchy carbs with every meal' is based on any evidence; same with the statins and low-fat recommendations. The 'evidence ' used is often based on very shaky data that doesn't stand-up to scientific examination but some in the NHS still profer it. I could quote the rather silly diabetes document by the Royal College of Physicians (or similar name) that said that low-carb couldn't be recommended as it wasn't proven to be safe yet the current Western diet that makes us all obese due to excess sugar is proven to be unsafe as we all know yet it is often considered a 'balanced, healthy diet'. That's not science; it's nonsense. BTW my DN in the local surgery used to work in the hospital diabetes clinic and is excellent as she has expertise in the subject and listens and discusses options.
     
  4. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I am partly of Sicilian extraction. Looks like you can take care of yourself quite well, though:D. Nothing better than venting in a different language!
     
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  5. cally

    cally Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Most of the diabetic patients I meet seem determined to eat what they like. Usually copious amounts of chocolate and Quality street bought in by their relatives!
    Seriously, I work with mostly elderly people and am horrified by the type of diet most of them consume. We can only advise and are not allowed to refuse anyone biscuits and cake if that's what they want to eat.
    I do try to advise them as I eat a lowish carb diet myself, but very few are willing to listen.



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  6. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ég er hneykslaður !!!
     
  7. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Tyvärr kan jag inte isländska! Varför är du chokad?
     
  9. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    ;)Ah-h-h, buena fortuna con la pasta!
    Yeah, I'm gonna miss all of these pasta dishes as I don't even want to get started. I would feel so deprived not being able to eat the amount I want. Even when I was on purely weight-loss diets I would occasionally pig-out on Italian dishes, because I knew I could just work off the extra pounds. Now, there is no getting around eating too much, so I just won't eat pasta at all.

    I do plan on, however, maybe some chicken, and maybe eggplant, and having them a la parmigiana. I make my own sauce from scratch. I'm looking forward to making baked artichokes, too, with garlic, basil, egg, Parmesan and mozzarella cheese, and olive oil stuffing. :hungry::hungry::hungry:
     
  10. Mud Island Dweller

    Mud Island Dweller Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    As from comments they refuse to discuss it or consider it for the most part so it isnt difficult it is impossiblle to hold an adult discussion with them.

    The desmond course was for me a perfect xenophobic case of it in action.
    l am looking forward to seeing my DN when possible sadly she is in hospital ...given it is the local one l hope she survives. l will see the dr on the 25th so see how xenophobic he is. Will be interesting he is a grumpy old git a bit like me so l should take bets on his attitude.
     
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  11. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi Brian. You may be right about different diets suiting different people for dieting, but for the main concern of diabetics i.e. blood sugar level then the science says that reducing your carbs will reduce blood sugar and some HCPs don't even get that and it's pretty basic. I gather it was the approach taken before the last war to handle diabetics and only changed post war with some very dubious papers published without much peer group review and then Group Think took over
     
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  12. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Early forties, BMI 36 officially diagnosed: 3 weeks diet LCHF weight loss 9lbs weight - Need to lose at least 3 stones more. T2.
    Personal reasons for following LCHF: read everything Uk diabetes recommended and felt that portion control was not a good idea. Started LCHF lost weight and bs went from 13 gradually down to 5.3-6.5 pre prandial and 5.5 - 7 post prandial. If you want to know about LCHF try Dietdoctor . Hope this helps.
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Just a thought! Husband non diabetic but follows diet. Me needs to lose 2 stone and has already lost 8lbs. His BMI is within recommended norm!
     
  14. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Muttering uncomplimentary remarks in lessons - tut tut.

    I have "hneykslaður" as shocked as in surprised. My extremely limited knowledge of the scandinavian langagues is derived from runestones in the younger futhark, a book on old norse and a CD on modern icelandic.
     
  15. Mud Island Dweller

    Mud Island Dweller Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I don't see the problem with LCHF followed by family members. At the end of the day there is so many eating plans out there that are weird and wacky. At least this has a logic to it. My hub follows it now but has food outside my parameters as he doesn't need to be so strict but is feeling healthier. In other words following but adapting slightly. At least it is all good healthy food makes life easier for meal planning, and please ignore bmi it is widely being discredited. as it takes overall instead of muscle and fat content. As usuall the nhs holds tight on like a drowning man to a straw.
     
  16. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I am impressed! I have no Icelandic whatsoever. What started the interest in Icelandic and Old Norse? I generally understand Norwegian. Sometimes I understand spoken Danish and other times I struggle. Can usually understand in written format.
     
  17. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I once had a slow cooked Mallorcan dish, it had been 24 hours in the oven at a very low temperature and although it looked solid, it was quite moist and tasted wonderful. I think it was based on a Mallorcan Tumbet but either with some lamb or some chicken in it. It was quite simply delicious and I wish I could remember what it was. It was one of these rustic country dished where there is something on the go all the time because no one ever knew when the workers would return from the fields so mealtimes could never be exact. These types of dish are fantastic for type 2 diabetics.
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think the title LCHF is a bit misleading. My understanding is that your body can get its energy from carbs or fat. If you eat large quantities of both then you are in dange
     
  19. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To carry on hit wrong &)55;( key! If you eat large quantities of fat and carb you become too fat. If you eat low carb then you need some fat to make you feel full. You then lose weight as your body burns fat. For me as a type 2 I am trying to bring bs down and lose weight. This has happened so far. Why not read diet doctor, give LCHF a go and see what happens? Good luck, anyway!
     
  20. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It started with my silly quest to show that the Skarthi on the Hedeby runestone was the same Skarthi named in Skardaborg, ie Scarborough.

    Sveinn konungr setti stein eptir Skarða, sinn heimþega, er var farinn vestr, en núB varð dauðr at Heiðabý

    http://www.cpt.co.uk/skarthi
     
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