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Aaaarrrggghhh!!!!!! If one more person tells me to eat more carbs!

Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by Scandichic, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. AnnieC

    AnnieC · Guest

    A friend of my daughters is a nutritionist she said the medical professionals are aware of the LCHF diet and can see it works with people but may not be suitable for all. She said they really can't say to patients this is what they should be doing as not enough is yet known about the long term effects on the general health and it has not been followed long enough by diabetics to say low carbers will suffer from less complications so until it is at the present time it has to be the diabetics own choice as to whether they follow LCHF or not
     
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  2. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Have you ever been? Very high on my wish list of places to go! Can't afford it as would want to take my girls and do everything. When I win the lottery........
     
  3. Andy12345

    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

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    Would it not be helpful for folks to put their type in their signature? or would that breach the official secrets act?
     
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  4. smidge

    smidge LADA · Well-Known Member

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    Brian,

    I'm afraid it's carbs that cause problems to all diabetics by raising BG. Of course, Type 1s can effectively medicate against that which is what many choose to do. However, very few manage to maintain safe BGs with that choice unfortunately. I think the figure is something like 95% of Type 1s fail to keep Hba1c at 6.5 or below - I'm sure someone will correct that if I'm wrong - not very good at remembering numbers.

    My non-diabetic partner started low-carving a year ago as his weight had gradually increased over the years to put him in the obese category. He has lost 3 and a half stone in the year.

    Smidge
     
  5. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What I can't understand is why they don't explain it like you just did. There is an alternative but we don't know the potential long term effects. Can't see that there would be problems as what I would call additional carbs ( rice, potatoes, pasta, bread, oats) have no other value than the provision of energy. From a cholestrol point of view I don't know. Think that uk diabetes is irresponsible verging on negligent to advise recipe tips on cakes and jam etc, bearing in mind these are foods which probably should be eaten rarely if at all if you want to lower bs or maintain a sensible bs level. Lots of research on LCHF and it's rationale but cannot find any for portion control. If this is the best advice then there should be plenty of accessible evidence which no one has been able to show me so far. Really good to have this kind of discussion and I appreciate it. If only I could have had this discussion with my dn!
     
  6. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    How do I do this? I filled out the profile but non of it comes up?
     
  7. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I've been to Schleswig many times. It's just a couple of km from the Viking Museum at Haithabu (Hedeby) and the reconstructed village on the orginal site. Schleswig is where the archaeological museum for Schleswig Holstein is situated, at Schloss Gottdorf. It contains a permanent exhibition of the bog bodies of Jutland and the famous Nydam and Thorsberg weapons sacrifices including the Nydam boat. Also in the area are several places where you can see the Danewerk, various runestones and smaller museums. There is enough to keep you going in this one location for a few days.

    Ryanair used to do very cheap flights from Stansted to Lübeck and you can get a Schleswig Holstein Rail Ticket for about 30 euro which will allow upto 5 of you to travel on the local trains for 24 hours. Germany is cheaper than the UK for B&B and a lot cheaper than other european countries.

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  8. catherinecherub

    catherinecherub · Guest


    At the top of the page on the right you will see your name.
    Hover over it and go to "signature". You can then put the type of diabetes and anything else that you feel is relevant.
     
  9. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you :)
     
  10. Andy12345

    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

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    looks like my missus in the morning
     
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  11. Yorksman

    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ermm, don't quite know how to tell you this Andy but, Windeby Girl, the one in the pic, turns out to be a bloke.

    ... it happens
     
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  12. Andy12345

    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

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    yup that sounds like her
     
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  13. hanadr

    hanadr · Expert

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    Just ask them to show you the scientific papers on which they base their beliefs. I've looked for YEARS and all I've found is how the RDA for carbs is based on guesswork and false assumptions.
    Hana
     
  14. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi Brian. There has been endless discussion on these forums about diets, carb, fats and so on but people more knowledgeable than me have often pointed out that not all calories are equal and carb calories are more likely to cause body weight gain thru deposited fat. The evils of too much fructose are also well-known and sucrose contains 50% fructose. My wife has been low-carbing along with me (she's not diabetic) and has lost a very large amount of weight. Previously she was low-fatting with no success.

    Hi AnnieC. You have reinforced the point made in my earlier post. Medical professionals who don't recommend low-carb because of it's unknown long-term consequences are again shutting their eyes to the known damage caused by our current Western diet. They would rather encourage people to have a diet that is known to cause harm than one that is unproven but unlikely to cause harm. That seems pretty stupid to me and some would say reckless.
     
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  15. AnnieC

    AnnieC · Guest

    That was said off the record and not what she can say to her patients until much more is known about any long term side effects LCHF is a relatively new concept to this country so the larger marjority of diabetics would probably not have heard of it and many of those who have been long standing diabetics especially the more elderly ones would probably be very loath to try it as they feel the way they have been eating for years is best for them
    So as we stand now we know LCHF can control BS but as to the long term effects good or bad or any less complications in low carbers nothing will be known about that for a long time yet and thats obviously why DN's are not allowed to really say much about it
     
  16. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    LOL, the longest I've ever cooked anything is about 5 hours; but, this dish sounds great. Yes, some of the older European recipes are geared towards the worker's needs. No microwaves for reheats and left-overs back then, so, they actually ate much healthier than modern folk.

    I cook all meals slowly, especially red meats because it is healthier to have a lower temp, and also the fats and oils congeal much better. That's even for burgers.

    For me, this all works out pretty well because out of fear of becoming bored with my meals and having an excuse to "cheat" I am researching and learning so much about new T2 recipes. ;)
     
  17. Joe Sweatthang

    Joe Sweatthang Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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  18. Tigger2014

    Tigger2014 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Have I got all this to come? :)

    I cant wait till 1st March to see the nurse lol

    went to get my first meds today and they informed me I have to have a fasting whatever lol

    "Could you not have told me this when I made appointment" says I

    "Telling you now" says the Gestapo woman behind the counter

    " And how pray tell do I work through the night without food"

    "Tough" lol
     
  19. Mud Island Dweller

    Mud Island Dweller Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I go for bloods pretty much as suits they give me paper l go when able. See if you can do the same so you do it on a night off and stop eating at say 19.30 go at 07.30 thats what l do anyhow.
    Only time l couldnt was the awful sugar drink blood thing they did.

    If not flexable arrange late afternoon and stop eating 12hs before at work ie 4am 16.00 bloods

    Drink water ignore food...l hold onto fact hub had to do a 72hr fasting in hosp for tests and the cretins kept trying to give him food and drink despite 3 HUGE signs saying nil by mouth. (except water)
     
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  20. Tigger2014

    Tigger2014 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    thankfully I start at 1800 so I have a few hours to get some scran, my Appointment is at 08.10 following morning so I can do it just annoys me that they assume everyone works 9 till 5 and knows what all this is about. HELLO I'M NEW TO THIS lol
     
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