Andrew Lansley rap - warning includes rap and swearing

[Administrator]

I think the personal attacks and language are a bit much, but worth a watch for how the country is feeling about the NHS right now...

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[Patch]

Hip-Hop on Diabetes.co.uk??? Never thought I'd see the day! :wink:

We're trendy.

What's next - Public Enemy Glucose Meters? :lol:

 

[RussG]

How about NWA - Neuropathy With Attitude.

Seriously, this piece is a really interesting angle in the NHS battlefield. The ad hominem stuff is a bit meh, but the actual lyrics are really good.

 

[Patch]

NWA - Neuropathy With Attitude

Nice!

The message is there - he just needed to put in the curses for impact, and to ensure that it got listened to.

Can't argue with the bloke, though... It's frightening what they want to do to the NHS.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Hmmm, I thought this site was above this sort of thing, will you be burning cars in London at the next TUC/Labour/NHS march Admin?

Can we not keep politics off this forum, we all have a vote that we can exercise if and when we want to change government. As witnessed last year.

And if we cant keep politics off the forum can we at least keep Rap off the forum it offends the musician in me :lol:

 

[Patch]

Sid, my old chum - there is so much in your last post that offends me I don't know where to start! :lol:

I'm guessing you're a Tory? :evil:

WE have to be on the side of the NHS. WE need it A LOT! I couldn't afford the type of treatment I get for free on the NHS.

 

[RussG]

Sid - Admin made no comment about whether or not (s)he agreed with it, and the rules of the forum state that the views expressed are not those of Diabetes.co.uk. The video was posted as a reflection of people's views about the NHS. I think that's perfectly appropriate for a forum. Perhaps it could be in soapbox, granted, but I'm not concerned.

Using only your vote is a fairly poor way to express your political will IMO. That's like saying you'll only discuss your diabetes in your annual review, and not if you start to develop some additional symptoms...

 

[Patch]

Let's all just watch the video, and admire the butchery of a classic track. :lol:

 

[Sid Bonkers]

the rules of the forum state that the views expressed are not those of Diabetes.co.uk.

The forum rules also state that no swearing is allowed I believe but it seems it's OK for the Admin to post this stuff

Using only your vote is a fairly poor way to express your political will IMO.

Well thats what a democracy is all about isn't it


Oh and Patch where have I ever expressed my political views? I vote for who I think will be best for this country at the time of an election. I did in fact vote Tory last year but I do not class myself as a Tory I purely voted to help rid the country of a government that had continually lied to the electorate over many years by two unelected Prime Ministers. Who I vote for in the next election is as yet undecided.

This government might ruin the NHS but they may just save it, no one knows for sure yet. What we do know is that Labour couldnt spend its way out of trouble and has left the country in considerable debt. I will decide who to vote for next when the next election comes around and not because of any inherited social bias. If the coalition mess up then I shall use my vote to help ensure they don't get another term. So basically, don't assume I am one party or another because I am not.

 

[RussG]

Sid - I fear we're in a political discussion!

To be fair to admin, they did warn that it contained swearing (and rap), so I think that's sufficient to meet the requirement of not swearing on the forum.

My main point though was that if you think voting in a general election is the only way you should participate democratically then you're missing the point of our parliamentary system. Having said that, you can participate however you like, clearly, and more power to your elbow to do so.

This links with the other forum discussion on this, but I cannot see how GP commissioning the NHS budget will result in anything other than private companies creaming off money in profit to do what we pay PCTs to do now. Sure, there's waste and inefficiency in some / most / all PCTs (delete as applicabale) but that's not really a reason to privitise healthcare.

Also, quite how profit will be made without reducing the quality or availability of services is beyond me. I've been a pretty senior manager in the public sector and my experiences tell me this will not end well. The private sector in healthcare excells at doing simple things cheaply and efficiently. How many people who read this forum's health fits into that category?

Once we've opened this particular pandora's box, it will be difficult to get it all back in again.

 

[Administrator]

Oops...

*tries to close can of worms

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Oops...

*tries to close can of worms

No need Admin, just no more Rap, pleeeeeeeease

 

[sugarless sue]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Sid - I fear we're in a political discussion!

Hmmmmm, possibly :|

This links with the other forum discussion on this, but I cannot see how GP commissioning the NHS budget will result in anything other than private companies creaming off money in profit to do what we pay PCTs to do now. Sure, there's waste and inefficiency in some / most / all PCTs (delete as applicabale) but that's not really a reason to privitise healthcare.

Are private companies not already making huge profits from the NHS but mostly without any input from doctors? Maybe the new bargaining powers that doctors will have could actually bring prices down. Take the test strips mentioned elsewhere, if practices start buying in bulk from Abbotts, because their the cheapest, what will the other strip manufacturers do? Isnt it reasonable to assume that they will actually drop their prices to become more competitive, rather than giving meters to every Tom **** and Harry so they can cane the NHS for repeat prescriptions???

Also, quite how profit will be made without reducing the quality or availability of services is beyond me.

I say again, these companies are already making huge profits but no one has tried to push them to become competitive. A competitive market tends to do that, if a group of practices get together with huge buying power and say to all the drug companies that they will do an exclusive one or two year deal with one of them, then watch the prices start to tumble. And more money means extra services not fewer. Perhaps I am being naive but should we not wait and see, look what has happened to mobile phone prices, my first contract cost me £60 a month for about 30 minutes of talk time, now I get 500 minutes plus 300 texts and unlimited internet for £10. Not all privatisation ids bad or indeed expensive, if properly regulated and allowed to compete, prices will come down.

Once we've opened this particular pandora's box, it will be difficult to get it all back in again.

Didnt some wise sage once say that "it's better out than in" :lol:

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Tinned worms

Do you have the nutritional info for these Sue?

 

[Patch]

I like rap music.

Actually, I LOVE rap music. ACTUALLY, I LOVE Hip-Hop music (there's a big difference).

I hate politics. :evil:

But I HATE the Tories. They're a bunch of whiny little g*ts who blame the previous government for all of their own failure and mistakes (after mistake, after mistake). I say, leave Labour in power for another 10 years and see what happens. At least that way we'll have a CLEAR view of who/what is to blame. (IF anything bad ACTUALLY happens - which I doubt would happen).

Sid - I'm absoolutely CERTAIN I could hook you up with some Hip-Hop/Rap that you'd enjoy. PM me with your musical preference and I'll point you in the right direction. It's never too late to get hip, y'know! :wink:

 

[cugila]

Tinned worms

Do you have the nutritional info for these Sue?

Sid. Surprisingly enough.....yes we do have the nutritional information for Worms ! :wink:

NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS
...............Crickets......... Meal Worms .........Wax Worms ..........Super Worms ......Fly Larvae

Moisture, % ..69.07 ..............62.44.............. 61.73...................59.37 ..................68.18
Fat, % ........6.01............... 12.72 ...............22.19 ..................17.89 ..................7.81
Protein, % ...21.32.............. 20.27...............15.50...................17.41...................15.58
Fiber, % ......3.2.................1.73................ 7.69 ...................6.80.....................3.46


Hope that helps............ Nil carbs apparently ??

 

[bowell]

Sid Bonkers wrote : Not all privatisation ids bad or indeed expensive, if properly regulated and allowed to compete, prices will come down.

WHAT!!!!!! just like the GAS and Electric Bills ?

My electric bill has just doped though the letter box :twisted:

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Not all privatisation ids bad or indeed expensive, if properly regulated and allowed to compete, prices will come down.

WHAT!!!!!! just like the GAS and Electric Bills ?

My electric bill has just doped though the letter box :twisted:

Gas and electricity prices are directly linked to the price of oil, nothing to do with privatisation.


Plus the Gas & leccy is a bad example of privatisation just like the railways, any industry with an infrastructure of tracks cables pipelines etc should not IMHO have been privatised, but the NHS is a different kettle of fish and it could just be workable, certainly no worse than the waste that is endemic within the current system, most hospitals currently have more managers than doctors!!!! But the NHS operates (no pun intended) in an open market where at present the pharmaceuticals call the shots and set the prices, if these giants can be brought into an arena of competitive negotiation then to my mind it can only be a good thing.


It is high time the NHS was shaken up and we got better value for our money. I have no way of knowing if these changes will work, I just think that any change is better than none at all. All our hospitals need more front line staff and fewer managers and that wont happen without change.

 

[RussG]

Short answer 'cause I'm short of time but this is worth more discussion:

It's hard to see how GPs will have the capacity to come together and make these sort of arrangements. They will not have the time, unless they see fewer patients or become commissioners, not general practitioners, and they probably won't have enough of the key skills, unless they retrain as accountants, managers etc. Private companies will offer to do this for a fee. That brings profit making elements directly into the commissioning of services, not just the supply of goods to the NHS. How will GPs getting together have greater bargaining power than trusts or indeed the entire NHS?

Most hospitals don't have more management than doctors. That's a Daily Mail myth. Management costs in the NHS run actually on the slightly low side compared to private sector companies. The NHS doesn't operate in an open market, or at least not in my understanding of the term.

Where I totally agree is that the NHS has never used its collective purchasing power and muscle to get the best deal from suppliers. But again, that could mean things like a tender to supply BG meters to all trusts that really drove the price down, but meant you could only get one brand of meter.