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Approaching end of Newcastle diet

Discussion in 'Greetings and Introductions' started by Deano72, Feb 18, 2019.

  1. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    @Deano72 you have experienced a tool you can use to help you manage your diabetes.
    When you're ready you may fight again.... maybe with more or... less effort.

    I my experience if you can get a great eating routine with little stress as hibitual 'norm' you will always be a winner.
    Some argue yo-yo dieting is damaging. Myself I feel any loss in huge diabetics like me can only be better than constantly adding.
    The perfect IR diet is stages which are longterm changes. Positive changes.
     
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    Daphne917 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I’m the same - I probably average between 100 -120g per day with my most carby meal usually in the evening. I know what I can eat or eat with moderation, I have the odd cake and don’t tend to worry if I’m somewhere where most of the food is carbier than I would like; I also occasionally experiment to see what effect certain foods have. I had a jacket potato the other day which resulted in a 1.5 rise after 2 hours - tested at 3 hours and it was just slightly lower. If I fancy pasta as opposed to courgetti I cool the cooked pasta under the hot tap and then reheat - that works for me. Rice has got to be the real thing so again that us cooled etc but it raises my BS by about 3.0 so do not have it that often but I will ‘take the hit’ because I love Chilli Con Carne! Scampi and Tortillas are still my nemesis which I mostly avoid but test every few months. I am not complacent by any means but have found a way that works for me, allows me to enjoy my food and eating out with friends, family etc and still keeps my hba1c within the normal range.
     
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    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Good post.
     
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    Deano72 · Active Member

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    Haven’t risked any rice yet, but had pasta a couple of times (cooked al dente). BG rose about the same as it does with any meal - just less than 2 at the 2 hour mark. But I was drinking red wine with the food, which always seems to keep the numbers down.
    Been reading about cooking & reheating rice & pasta and how that alters the composition of the starch & reduces the impact on BG. So, you’ve tried this & found it works? Must give that a go. Both these foods used to be staples & I miss them. Just can’t bring myself to eat courgetti!
     
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    Daphne917 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I find it works better with pasta than rice - courgetti isn’t too bad but that’s as far as I go with substitutes. Tried cauli rice and Keto coconut porridge and disliked both.
     
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    Doug_NL Type 2 · Member

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    My understanding from what I've read is that muscle loss isn't occurring until you're under 4% body fat. The body will burn fat first as that's the way our system is designed and fat is readily available.
     
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    ringi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Without resistance training, muscles will tend to be lost with all weight lose. Partly as our muscles have less work to do when we lose weight. Remember any actively that makes your muscles surport load is resistance training, for some people that could be standing up ever 20 minutes to look out of the window if they have been very inactive.

    The Newcastle diet tend to result in more muscle lose then a low carb high protein diet, but a lot less muscle lose then long term fasting. (Fasting upto 36 hours have minimal risk of muscle lose.). But as the Newcastle is only for 8 to 12 weeks the muscle lose is limited and can be a less then a losing the same weight with a "moderate" low fat diet.
     
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    Deano72 · Active Member

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    Just had my first hba1c result since diagnosis in November. 35, down from 66. Happy days...
     
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    Rustytypin Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations, superb result! Your hard work paid off.
     
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    Pipp Type 2 · Expert
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    Brilliant! Well done!
     
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    Been scouring the internet for info on these questions, but can’t find answers... So, my hba1c from a test at the end of May was 35, which I’m over the moon with. However, for the past month or two I’m seeing different results from my own testing to what I’ve been used to. On a positive note my pp spikes rarely exceed 1 point & are generally in the range of the high 5’s to the mid 6’s (touching 7 after a treat). But on the flip side my fasting tests are almost always around 6 (5.7 - 6.4) over the last couple of weeks. Now I understand there’s a margin of error built in to the test kit, but I’m seeing these numbers consistently.
    My diet is still evolving, but generally taking in around 2000 calories a day & rarely exceed 100g of carbs (spread evenly & very few of the simple form). My exercise regime is pretty good - daily walking &/or cycling) and my weight is stable at around 14 stone 10 +/- about 4lb (over 5 stone down from diagnosis 8 months ago).
    It’s coming up 4 months since I finished the Newcastle Diet. Am I seeing the reverse of a temporary benefit from said diet? How important is a slightly elevated fasting BG when everything else looks okay?
    If anyone has experienced similar, or can point me towards any possible answers I’d appreciate your comments. Thanks...
     
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    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Expert
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    Have you started a new batch of strips by any chance? Some batches can test just a little higher/lower than others, so worth checking that out
     
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    I have actually, but if that were the cause surely I’d expect higher results across the board?
     
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  14. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    So are you re-adding carbs or still low carbing?
    If your diet is evolving so will your bgs be.
    I find if all the spikes have been severely reduced it will dramatically keep your bgs down.
    Addition spikes even whilst experimenting will increase your hba1c.
    I still find the amount of food makes a huge difference.
    Are you experimenting by increasing the amount you eat?

    Pre Roux-en-y op I could eat 2 bananas (if I wanted high carb food). Now ½ of banana is enough to satisfy me. Of course is a smaller spike too.
    I'm on about 600cals 4wks after op. I'm very happy where I am and I'm hoping nothing changes. I have a funny feeling though I'll be encouraged to eat more often but simply cannot on top of all my liquid meds and then water on top.
    I'll be very happy to stay on 600 for life now.
    I have a varied diet but heavy meat eating is out of the question. I loved locus eating a cooked chicken, a bit at a time. It would take me a few weeks now.
    Small eating is great for my bgs and my waist line.
     
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