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bronwend

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Hi I'm Bronwen, I'm 35 & there's a high chance I'm going to be diagnosed with pre diabetes or type 2. I had a blood test last week and have been called back for a fasting blood test. I am obese & my father has type 2. I've lost weight in the past & regained it. I am very active & following weight watchers with limited success. I just feel so ashamed like I've ruined my body & have no one to blame but myself..... I'm embarrassed to tell people (I am usually a very open person) that there's even the possibility of this. Is it normal to feel this way? I know I've not had a firm diagnosis yet and I hope you don't feel I'm jumping the gun but I'm just looking for for support or advice or maybe just a vent.
 
Hi welcome to the forum. I'll tag @daisy1 for her info for newcomers.

Firstly stop blaming yourself. It's hard not to blame yourself because of all the stuff in the media about obesity and diabetes, but there are a lot of obese people around who are not and never will be diabetic. Secondly whether or not you are diabetic you sound like you would like to lose weight so have a look at the low carb section here for LCHF. Low carb high fat. The reason you regained the weight is that low carb low fat is not sustainable long term, you just get hungry. There's also a low carb program here www.diabetes.co.uk/lowcarb which is a 10 week introduction into LCHF.

Lastly stick with us and we'll help you. :)
 
@bronwend

Hello and welcome to the forum :) To help you along, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Have a look at the LC/HF diet as Zand mentioned. You will find a lot of advice about carbs in this basic information. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi @bronwend and welcome to the forum. Being diagnosed as diabetic is a huge shock for most people, with a variety of emotions, guilt, shame, anger, blame, fear, denial and more. Most of us felt like that when we first received our diagnosis. It does take a bit of time to get our heads around it all and come to terms with it.
You have done well to find this forum, there are a lot of people on here who are friendly, non-judgmental and supportive. Many of us have found that a Low Carbohydrate high Fat approach to eating has reduced our blood sugar levels and weight.
Have a look around the threads and ask any questions you want.
 
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Hi Bronwyn. I think the way you're feeling is perfectly normal. I felt the same way when diagnosed in January. A big shock, and feelings of embarassment, shame etc having struggled with weight control all my adult life inspite of loving fruit/veg and home cooking. I've managed to turn things around dramatically in nearly 4 months..and you can too! Try and be positive and determined and know this diagnosis can actually be the beginning of the end of your weight issues. I've simply upped my exercise, lowered carbs (and only eat high quality ones now) and upped protein (good ones such as fish, nuts, grains). Feeling great and 11kg lighter with totally normal range blood sugar now after totally out of control sugar at about 20.0. Get positive and determined and just make those adjustments and look forward to a slimmer healthier future. Every cloud has a silver lining. Good luck.
 
Hi there @bronwend, if it makes you feel any better there are quite a few people now who believe that that insulin drives weight gain so insulin resistance can lead to obesity. In any case there is no profit in feeling ashamed, what you need to do is face the problem straight on, educate yourself (this forum is great for that!) and hopefully avoid the complications of diabetes by losing weight. Either way the blame game is negative and destuctive, what`s done is done and tomorrow is a new day :) best wishes Chris.
 
Hi Bronwyn,

I felt very much like you do now when I received my diagnosis on the 15th March Following a blood test on the 3rd March.

Fast forward 6 weeks and I have lost another 5 kilos's (I had been Following a LCHF diet since the 10th Feb and had already lost 11 kilos), my Daily average blood sugar is 5.9 down from 17.8 on diagnosis and I am happily going to the gym and swimming 6 days a week and have so much energy.

After listening to my Practice Nurse telling me that this was totally progressive I would end up on insulin with multiple complications I felt just like you do now for a good few days, then thought "well screw that" :-)

Turn that feeling around and use it as a force for good, you have found the right place to be, so many supportive people and inspirational stories here.

Remember to ask questions, read up on the subject, research and decide what is best for you.

Some people to Google

Dietdoctor.com
Zoe Harcombe
Jason Fung

Good luck x
 
Thanks for your replies, I've been struggling to loose weight (typical don't have the 'unexplained weight loss' symptom!!) on a high carb low fat diet so maybe that is where I am going wrong. I eat carbs at every meal albeit mainly 'good' carbs. I am prepared to make the lifestyle changes I need to. Maybe this'll turn out to be a good thing? If you know what I mean....
 
Thanks for your replies, I've been struggling to loose weight (typical don't have the 'unexplained weight loss' symptom!!) on a high carb low fat diet so maybe that is where I am going wrong. I eat carbs at every meal albeit mainly 'good' carbs. I am prepared to make the lifestyle changes I need to. Maybe this'll turn out to be a good thing? If you know what I mean....

The weight loss is generally a Type 1 thing.

Don't be ashamed. Diabetes is a complicated condition and no one would willingly bring it on themselves.

You're obviously working hard to lose weight, so hopefully a few tweaks to your diet will pay dividends :)
 
Thank you so much. No more blame game as afterall it is counter productive. I can think positively & be proud of what I can achieve. I'll have a look at the hclf diet & give that a bash
 
Hi I'm Bronwen, I'm 35 & there's a high chance I'm going to be diagnosed with pre diabetes or type 2. I had a blood test last week and have been called back for a fasting blood test. I am obese & my father has type 2. I've lost weight in the past & regained it. I am very active & following weight watchers with limited success. I just feel so ashamed like I've ruined my body & have no one to blame but myself..... I'm embarrassed to tell people (I am usually a very open person) that there's even the possibility of this. Is it normal to feel this way? I know I've not had a firm diagnosis yet and I hope you don't feel I'm jumping the gun but I'm just looking for for support or advice or maybe just a vent.
hi @bronwed don't blame yourself for what has happened . On here you will find a wealth of information and a lot of help and support. My husband was diagnosed back in February and like a lot of people was very shocked , but finding this web site has been a god send . Even if you find out that your not a diabetic I hope you stay with us as there are people who maybe able to help you to achieve what you want , Good luck with your blood test, and stay in touch and lets us know how you get on . xxx
 
If you look at the dietdoctor.com webisite he does a two week low carb challenge, where you get told what to eat And have lots of lovely recipe's to try out. Do not be freaked out that he is suggesting, butter cream, And fats it will go against everything you thought was the correct way to lose weight.

And don't stress and worry it does horrible things to your BS readings x
 
Hi @bronwend and welcome :)

Carbs are a huge factor so one of the first tasks is to cut them back and replace with fats ... odd as it sounds, it works. You'll be good so stick around as we all speak from various experiences and can offer the help you need. There's many centuries (makes us sound old does it not?) amongst the group of living with this and you'll be amazed at the support

Mike :)
 
Reading over the lchf stuff & it goes against all I've ever thought!!! Spreading butter on cheese (an extreme I would think). It's definitely a learning curve. But thinking about it, it's makes sense I don't eat lots of sugar but do eat carbs lots & ive been at a loss as to why the weight isn't coming off especially as I'm very active
 
Most carbs turn to sugar quickly and that is the simplistic (but factual) way of looking at it. We all (well, the huge percentage of us) think it does in fact go against what we thought was OK with what we ate and what we considered healthy.

You might face a change in diet but you'll be OK so keep asking questions. Watch the fruit, cut the breads, pastas, eat above ground veg big time and consume what works for you but this is early days @bronwend ... let's get those tests and figures done first.

P.S. The shame is not yours and neither is the guilt. That was the first thing I dumped simply because I was so angry and determined to get this blasted thing under control. And I did thanks to some remarkable people here I will never forget and never meet, but they will live with me forever :)

Mike
 
Definitely, definitely try the low carb high fat way of eating. It is an easy diet to make a lifestyle and its easy to stick to as there is never any need to feel hungry. High fat scares a lot of people because of the inaccurate in formation we've beed told for many many years. In fact if you look at the science then it is carbs that are turned easily to fat in the body and not fat.
For myself I went cold turkey on carbs and cut out bread. pasta, rice, potatoes and replaced them with calories from good fats. I eat double cram on a daily basis on my berries, I eat only full fat cheeses, I eat lots of eggs, oily fish, avocados, cook with coconut oil or butter and use olive oil a lot for dressings etc. The result is I have lost over a stone in weight without ever feeling hungry, never need to snack, don't get irritable from carb crashes, cholesterol ratios improved, blood pressure decreased, etc etc. So even if you turn out not to have diabetes then the low carb high fat lifestyle should ensure you lose weight and gain energy.
i thought cutting out carbs would be hard, I lived on toast and loved pasta and rice but I really haven't missed them as there wis so much good food and even vegetables are delicious once you realise you can eat them smothered in butter or creme fraiche. Now instead of eating a high carb diet with occasional high fat treats, I eat a high fat diet with occasional high carb treats but very occasional ( and then I walk it off immediately).
You are definitely in the right place and the advice you get here is much more positive and much better than anythgin the NHS currently gives you.
 
For the last 20 years I ate what I thought was a healthy diet - yet put a lttle bit of weight on year by year. I gave myself all sorts of blame and developed a bit of a negative self-image underneath the confident, bubbly exterior. Since coming on this site I have come to the conclusion that I'm just not designed to be a carb eater. I get addicted to them and just want more. LCHF was against everything I'd learnt in my life long effort to lose weight. At first I did low carb low cal. I did lose weight, but couldn't keep it up. Now I'm doing LCHF, but I'm watching the calories so I don't overeat. I am losing weight and controlling my bs. I fall off the wagon, especially when we have guests to stay or go away, but I make sure I keep coming back to LCHF and keep watching the scales register lower weights.
You can do this and this place will support you. I also find I am much better when I use My Fitness Pal to record my food. It tells me the carbs and you can set your own goals for calories, carbs, protein and fats, which I find helpful.
 
Reading over the lchf stuff & it goes against all I've ever thought!!! Spreading butter on cheese (an extreme I would think). It's definitely a learning curve. But thinking about it, it's makes sense I don't eat lots of sugar but do eat carbs lots & ive been at a loss as to why the weight isn't coming off especially as I'm very active

Yes, the idea being to eat enough fat to feel satiated/satisfied and to reduce carbs as much as you can, avoiding rice, bread, sugar, cakes, biscuits, crisps, sweets, pasta, potatoes, starchy veg and most fruit....
Cream, butter, cream cheese, eggs, cheese, full fat yoghurt, high cocoa-solids chocolate, raspberries, blueberries, strawberries, leafy veg, walnuts, Brazil nuts, pecans, seeds .... All contribute to a low carb high fat diet that can help us lose weight and lose cravings.
Exercise is good but doesn't help as much as we'd like with weight loss, unfortunately.
 
Thanks for your replies, I've been struggling to loose weight (typical don't have the 'unexplained weight loss' symptom!!) on a high carb low fat diet so maybe that is where I am going wrong. I eat carbs at every meal albeit mainly 'good' carbs. I am prepared to make the lifestyle changes I need to. Maybe this'll turn out to be a good thing? If you know what I mean....
Fo many of us Type 2's there is no such thing as a "good" carb.
 
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