Bad broccoli?

[Kristin251]

28.3 grams x 6 isn´t it more like 160 grams

44 grams is very fine I think

28.3 is the WEIGHT. NOT the protein. Let's see if I can explain this. It is confusing. On my can of tuna it says 2 oz (56 g) has 13 grams of protein. There are 2.5 servings in a can. So there are 140g of weight and 32.5 grams of protein. So 5 oz protein per can. 6.5 G protein per ounce.

Make sense?

 

[Kristin251]

6ozs is 170g.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1GIWA_enGB687GB687&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=ounces to grams&oq=ounces to grams&aqs=chrome..69i57j6j0l4.6384j0j8

That's the weight of the food, not the grams of protein. Most protein is about 7 g per ounce. Some higher and some lower. 6 x 7= 42 G protein.

 

[Freema]

28.3 is the WEIGHT. NOT the protein. Let's see if I can explain this. It is confusing. On my can of tuna it says 2 oz (56 g) has 13 grams of protein. There are 2.5 servings in a can. So there are 140g of weight and 32.5 grams of protein. So 5 oz protein per can. 6.5 G protein per ounce.

Make sense?

haha I am not really good at this, but I do trust you are right... sorry for my foggy brain...

 

[Bluetit1802]

28.3 is the WEIGHT. NOT the protein. Let's see if I can explain this. It is confusing. On my can of tuna it says 2 oz (56 g) has 13 grams of protein. There are 2.5 servings in a can. So there are 140g of weight and 32.5 grams of protein. So 5 oz protein per can. 6.5 G protein per ounce.

Make sense?

I understand what you mean, but you have a strange and complicated way of calculating your protein.

 

[Kristin251]

haha I am not really good at this, but I do trust you are right... sorry for my foggy brain...

No worries!!! My husband had to explain it over and over until it sunk in!!!

I weight my food based on how many grams of protein per ounce in the food. Chicken and turkey are 8-9 G protein per ounce. Fish is 6.5-7 ish. Lean beef or lamb is 7.5-8. So bf I eat 1 oz. lunch 1.5 and dinner 2.5 averages. Totaling 5-6 per day of animal/fish. The rest is veggie.any more than that I do have higher readings or need to split boluses.

 

[endocrinegremlin]

Some find a rise from milks, creams ect so that could explain your climb. I wouldn't try and observe a test starting at 9. That should have been corrected first thing. Sometimes being higher makes you go even higher. My guess is the greens had nothing to do with this at all and its best you try this experiment again when your bg is more in target upon wakening.

 

[Alison Campbell]

@endocrinegremlin hi, the OP is a new type 2 no medication.

 

[Ultramum]

Some find a rise from milks, creams ect so that could explain your climb. I wouldn't try and observe a test starting at 9. That should have been corrected first thing. Sometimes being higher makes you go even higher. My guess is the greens had nothing to do with this at all and its best you try this experiment again when your bg is more in target upon wakening.

What happens if your fasting blood glucose is high and you are following low carb to get it down? How can you test what does and doesn't work if you start from a high number anyway each day's?

 

[Kristin251]

Are you on insulin?
Is your fasting high everyday?
How are your day time numbers?
Are you moderating your protein?
How many carbs do you eat per day?

Sorry, loads of questions but I bet it's somewhere in these questions

 

[Alison Campbell]

Hi @Ultramum, @endocrinegremlin is a type 1 and referred to a correction (dose of insulin) which does not apply to apply to the original poster and is a different form of management.

 

[Swiggy]

Are you on insulin?
Is your fasting high everyday?
How are your day time numbers?
Are you moderating your protein?
How many carbs do you eat per day?

Sorry, loads of questions but I bet it's somewhere in these questions

I have never been prescribed medication. I reduced my levels after diagnosis by sticking to the Newcastle diet for eight weeks and losing over two stones in weight. I bought a meter and have tested my fbg for over a year now. They are usually in the sevens. I started to put weight back on and decided to take action. I joined the forum and started to choose low carb options and test before and after meals to try to find out the foods I should avoid.
Over the past two weeks I have had one reading of 12.0 two hours after eating black pudding.
I am trying to make low carb choices but I have a lot to learn. I have not eaten bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, biscuits, pastries etc since my diagnosis. Prior to this I ate a very carb heavy diet and avoided fat. Milk has always been my drink of choice but I have been buying skimmed milk since 1980. I ate lots of bread but skipped the butter, choosing jam or honey. I am the only person I know who really doesn't like chocolate, but I loved all varieties of crisps, nuts and anything cheesy.
I haven't been weighing the meat, fish or cheese I have been having. I have been choosing vegetables from above ground, Brussels sprouts, savoy cabbage, leeks and (today) broccoli. I didn't realise that the relatively small amount of carbohydrate in the vegetables I have been eating might be too much.
My plan now is to limit the cream, butter and cream cheese. Have egg mayonnaise for breakfast as soon as I get up, drink water instead of coffee and weigh my protein.
I will take on board the suggestion that I should avoid carbs early in the day, I did not realise that insulin resistance fluctuated throughout the day. And I will continue to test before and after meals and try to make sense of this new way of eating.

 

[Kristin251]

I have never been prescribed medication. I reduced my levels after diagnosis by sticking to the Newcastle diet for eight weeks and losing over two stones in weight. I bought a meter and have tested my fbg for over a year now. They are usually in the sevens. I started to put weight back on and decided to take action. I joined the forum and started to choose low carb options and test before and after meals to try to find out the foods I should avoid.
Over the past two weeks I have had one reading of 12.0 two hours after eating black pudding.
I am trying to make low carb choices but I have a lot to learn. I have not eaten bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, biscuits, pastries etc since my diagnosis. Prior to this I ate a very carb heavy diet and avoided fat. Milk has always been my drink of choice but I have been buying skimmed milk since 1980. I ate lots of bread but skipped the butter, choosing jam or honey. I am the only person I know who really doesn't like chocolate, but I loved all varieties of crisps, nuts and anything cheesy.
I haven't been weighing the meat, fish or cheese I have been having. I have been choosing vegetables from above ground, Brussels sprouts, savoy cabbage, leeks and (today) broccoli. I didn't realise that the relatively small amount of carbohydrate in the vegetables I have been eating might be too much.
My plan now is to limit the cream, butter and cream cheese. Have egg mayonnaise for breakfast as soon as I get up, drink water instead of coffee and weigh my protein.
I will take on board the suggestion that I should avoid carbs early in the day, I did not realise that insulin resistance fluctuated throughout the day. And I will continue to test before and after meals and try to make sense of this new way of eating.

Sounds very solid !! Big learning curve!! Test test test and find out!!

 

[Swiggy]

Sounds very solid !! Big learning curve!! Test test test and find out!!

Thanks Kristin251, you are right but I will stick with it. Going down...

 

[Ultramum]

Are you on insulin?
Is your fasting high everyday?
How are your day time numbers?
Are you moderating your protein?
How many carbs do you eat per day?

Sorry, loads of questions but I bet it's somewhere in these questions

No
Yes
Not too bad in ups and downs : +/- 1-2 b4 and after meals
No
Cut down gradually but about 20-50g

Just started this LCHF and still learning - 9.0 this morning after 15g carb at teatime so going to try <20g overall today

 

[Sid Bonkers]

If your post breakie numbers are rising that would indicate that your liver and muscles are releasing glycogen the way to stop this would be to eat a small amount of carbs for breakfast and this should stop your body compensating for the lack of instant energy available only from carbs.

Try 10g carbs for breakfast and test 2 hours pre and postprandial and then adjust accordingly. IMHO no amount of protein or fat will stop your liver helping you out.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/body/glycogen.html

 

[Bluetit1802]

If your post breakie numbers are rising that would indicate that your liver and muscles are releasing glycogen the way to stop this would be to eat a small amount of carbs for breakfast and this should stop your body compensating for the lack of instant energy available only from carbs.

Try 10g carbs for breakfast and test 2 hours pre and postprandial and then adjust accordingly. IMHO no amount of protein or fat will stop your liver helping you out.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/body/glycogen.html

This is exactly the opposite of my personal experience. My liver started dumping glucose within 10 minutes of getting out of bed, probably sooner. It continued to rise until lunch time. I always had a FF yogurt with berries and flaxseed first thing (before shower etc) I continued to rise for 4 hours. (most likely morning insulin resistance plus liver dump) I then changed to a single boiled egg. I continued to rise for 4 hours, but not by as much. Since November I have just had a decaf coffee with double cream. I no longer rise. I drop. On the odd occasion I have had either a boiled egg or a yogurt as experiments, I have once again continued to rise. Conclusion: the carbs in the yogurt and berries made things worse. The fat/protein in the egg was better but insufficient fat. The coffee and cream works well. I conclude I cannot eat carbs in the morning but can eat fat in the form of double cream with minimal carbs.

The above only came to light after nearly 3 years on this diet by wearing a Libre sensor. Finger pricking never picked up on it.

 

[zand]

This is just my personal opinion based on what I have observed with my own body and BGs.

I reckon there are 2 types of liver dumps.

1. This is when BGs are under control and the liver tries to help out by producing glucagon to stop you going too low in the morning.

2. In the early days of T2 when settling into low carbing and trying to reduce BGs to 'normal' figures, I think the liver is simply glad to get rid of some of the excess glucose already stored in the liver. I am convinced this is what happened with me and my fatty liver. It tries to even out the highs and lows during the day and if it can get rid of some in the morning, due to fasting overnight, then it is more able to take up any excess consumed during the day.

So I always thought that the latter type of liver dump was good and didn't need rectifying, it was simply clearing out the liver while it could, making the liver more efficient. After a few weeks of low carbing my fatty liver improved and my waking Bgs were in the 5's, then the first type of liver dumped happened. Like @Bluetit1802 though, I find just a drink of either tea with whole milk of cofee and cream is enough to stop this type of dump until lunch time.

Like I said just my thoughts, no scientific proof.

 

[Kristin251]

I most certainly cannot eat carbs in the morning. Like @Bluetit1802 i continue to rise for at least four hours in the morning. Protein is better than carbs but fat is better than protein for me. I have half an avocado or maybe a little less. When I have an egg or other protein I rise . Carbs? Forget it. I save those mostly for dinner and I do need to watch portions for those. Brussels sprouts and broccoli add up fast. Having a food scale and weighing portions showed me some veggies weren't even worth making. I tend to mix veggies. Some with higher carb and some lower. If I want Brussels sprouts I get two. Lol. Then a add an asparagus spear, bok choy, mushrooms to bulk it out but still only about 1/2 cup. I need to keep carbs quite low and a lot of them come with fat and fiber like avocado and nuts/ pumpkin seeds. This way my meals can remain small, as meal size matters, and I'm satisfied if I have enough fat. I always remember my stomach is the size of my fist. A distended stomach from a larger meal even low carb will spike me.

 

[Trebor2516]

My fbg at 6:15 was 9.2 this morning and I started the day with a coffee and 30ml double cream.
Tested again at 10:15 before eating 300g broccoli and 30g butter. I boiled the broccoli in plain water and added no seasoning. Level at this point was 9.7 so it had gone up despite the coffee and cream.
When I tested again at 12:10 it was 11.7! I was shocked. Washed hands again and retested using another finger and 11.5.
Should I put broccoli on my list of food to avoid?

80g of broccoli has 1.1g of carbs and 19g of KCal, I don't think that is what caused your high BG

 

[Swiggy]

80g of broccoli has 1.1g of carbs and 19g of KCal, I don't think that is what caused your high BG

Thanks Trebor2516. I may try broccoli again this evening. I'm just going to stick with lchf for the moment and keep testing. The more knowledge I have about my reaction to a whole range of food the better.