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Breakdown of Italy’s figures (edited title)

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by HSSS, Mar 18, 2020.

  1. Oil Drum

    Oil Drum Type 2 · Active Member

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    German numbers are looking interesting, watching for the latest Italian stats which a released around 6pm GMT. Danger is once the local numbers show drop we will relax our precautions too much and cause a second peak in new cases.
     
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  2. Oil Drum

    Oil Drum Type 2 · Active Member

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    A polls show shockingly high number of otherwise sensible people in the USA still worship Trump nothing makes his support drop below 40% of voters. Even more worringly gun sales in the USA have skyrocketed
     
  3. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    Hong Kong now seem to be having a second wave of infections.
     
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  4. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That is amazing, he seems to be an egotistical idiot. Boris hardly inspires confidence but at least he doesn't undermine the advisers by claiming he is an expert on everything.
     
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  5. lindisfel

    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    How true, Mr Pots!
    Watched Nicola Sturgeon on the news channel yesterday. She's a strong woman and had no bumbling and fluffing, she has more 'of them' than many a man!
    D.
     
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  6. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    He does have a degree in general science so he should know better
    Seems to be and idiot but he knows his audience.
     
  7. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    And I thought his degree was in race relations! :)
     
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  9. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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  10. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    do you have a link to that information please? I am not doubting you. A link might help me get a point through the skull of a particular relative.
     
  11. Dark Horse

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    This research paper says:-

    CONCLUSIONS:
    Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population.
     
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  12. Robinredbreast

    Robinredbreast Type 1 · Oracle

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    BBC news, 5pm, Italy is now increased 6,078 :(:(:(
     
  13. JohnEGreen

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    The daily fatalities numbers are dropping for two days in a row now.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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  15. Oil Drum

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    The media tend to focus on the total number of cases the main indicator number to watch is the number of new cases diagnosed per day which is now showing a definite decline
    Daily death toll lags behind the diagnosed new cases by several days the number of new cases per day. but in Italy even the number of deaths pers day has fallen since Friday.
    The number of recovered cases lags even further behind.
     
  16. JohnEGreen

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    I think when those who are left to post here in a few months time will look back at this a the most macabre period ever on this forum when we seem to spend so much time concentrating on the death toll.
     
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  17. LooperCat

    LooperCat Type 1 · Expert

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    I suspect you’re right. Let’s just hope we all make it through, eh?
     
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  18. lucylocket61

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    I look at the death toll as that is an indicator or what is happening and how stringent I need to be, and hope the government will be.

    It is not macabre interest.
     
  19. JohnEGreen

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    If you say so I say for what ever reason including my own I have relatives living in Italy its a touch macabre.

    disturbing because concerned with or causing a fear of death.

    The word has gained its significance from its use in French as la danse macabre for the allegorical representation of the ever-present and universal power of death, known in English as the Dance of Death and in German as Totentanz.
     
  20. urbanracer

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    Anybody seen this report in the FT? Not specifically about Italy but it offers a very different view of the situation.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

    If you click on the link it may appear to be behind a paywall but it is syndicated news that can be accessed via Google.

    Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study
    New epidemiological model shows vast majority of people suffer little or no illness
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    If the results of the study are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment © Tolga Akmen/AFP

    March 24, 2020 4:19 pm by Clive Cookson , Science Editor


    The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

    If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

    “We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.

    The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

    The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.
     
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