Briffa: Dr tells successful T2 to "Eat more carbs"

[xyzzy]

bonneynemia, What are you selling ? and why ?

Answer - came there NONE ?

Superchip -

Thanks for asking.

I am not selling anything. I am trying very hard to encourage other type 2 diabetics to look for their own way of getting a life like they have no diabetes. I have been successful at it for more than 21 years so it can surely be done by others.

Have you known any other type 2 diabetic who has done as well as, or better than, I have? If you do, please tell him that I want to compare notes with him.

Bonny Damocles

Hi Bonny

Yes a lot of people on this forum have excellent control i.e A1c's of less than 6% and quite a number have A1c's less than 5%. I appreciate you have found your own way of dealing with T2 but I can honestly say that running up and down stairs for 2 hours a day doesn't particularly appeal to me especially when similar results can be achieved just by cutting down on high carb and starchy foods.

Exercise is of course important.

 

[Grazer]

Have you known any other type 2 diabetic who has done as well as, or better than, I have?

Well, yes, lots. To be honest, you've put this same slightly odd post on most threads going and we don't really need to keep hearing it. We all know exercise is great, end of story. It's not new.

 

[Defren]

Have you known any other type 2 diabetic who has done as well as, or better than, I have? If you do, please tell him that I want to compare notes with him.

Bonny Damocles

Well Bonny, I am a she, but I along with many others here have excellent control. Many of us with A1c's in the 4's. We may not have been diabetic for 21 years, but we are no different to you in so much as we grasped the nettle and took a pro active approach to our condition. While your results are very admirable, we really don't need post after post of you trying to make out you are the best controlled diabetic alive. If you want us all to turn into cheerleaders shouting BONNY BONNY BONNY just say so!

Sorry to be so blunt, but there are members here who no matter what they try can't get as tight a control as they would like, and others who can't exercise for medical reasons. Throwing 'your way is the only way' does not help those members!

 

[Superchip]

BD, do you really believe that you can drum up " getting a life like you have no diabetes " in the REAL world it just does not work that way !
Get real, stop ponsing about , this forum is for people who have diabetes and not for " pie in the sky, and the running up and down stairs brigade !"

Nowt wrong with exercise, a lot wrong with typical easy answers A******s camp.

Superchip

 

[lucylocket61]

some diabetics, after years of low-carbing and doing everything they can, still need to take other medication and ultimately insulin.

And there is nothing wrong with that!!!!

and many of us here have complicated health issues apart from Diabetes, and cant exercise much.

and quite simply - many dont have time to run up and down stairs for 2 hours a day, even if they could.

OK, I recognise that your pre-diabetic life may have also involved exercising 2 hours a day, so for people previously exercised like that it is true that they have their 'old' life back (or, more accurately, continuing their old life). But is suspect that having to run up and down for 2 hours a day to control your blood sugars is not something you did pre-diagnosis.

How much exercise DID you do before diagnosis?

and have you had to re-carpet the stairs??????

 

[lucylocket61]

Sid: its called freedom of speech. Its called not being in control of what other people write. Sometimes I suck in y breath at how people phrase themselves occasionally. But that doesnt make the posters bad, or wrong. They just have a different way of expressing themselves. And we cant hear the tone or see the expression.

The only advice I can offer is: Dont take it personally, or assume either negative intent or that they mean me personally.

 

[anna29]

Hi All.
Lets keep things on topic please and refrain from taking things personal.
Thanks Anna.

 

[IanD]

If someone tells me to eat carbs, I ask for the name and symptoms of carb deficiency. It's Kwashiokor for proteins. There's NO deficiency disease associated with low carb.
Hana

I posted this link some time ago - & wrote to the author, without reply. It is ref: 18 in DUK's "Position statement"
Worth J, Soran H (2007). Is there a role for low carbohydrate diets in the management of type 2 diabetes? Q J Med 100; 659–663

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/10/659.full

In summary, low-CHO diets of 6–12 months duration have no adverse effect on CVD risk factors, and show no major adverse effects to preclude their use. Meaningful weight loss is achieved, but this does not appear to be sustained beyond 6 months. Long-term trials are required to assess their safety, and studies are awaited to define the role of such diets within patients with diabetes. In the study by Samaha et al., 39% had diabetes, and the mean fasting glucose level decreased more in the low-CHO group than in the low-fat group (−9 ± 19% vs. 2 ± 7%, p = 0.02) at 6 months.13 A 16-week pilot diet intervention trial also demonstrated that a low-CHO, ketogenic diet can improve glycaemic control in obese type 2 DM patients (mean BMI 42), such that diabetes medications were discontinued or reduced in 17 of the 21 participants.19 However, to date there has been no randomized controlled trial in type 2 DM patients and health care professionals remain wary of their use, particularly as standard dietary advice from Diabetes UK does not support this approach.7

 

[lucylocket61]

sorry Ian if I am being thick but:

does that mean that low-carbing for more than 6 months is bad...

or does it mean that there have been no clinical trials so the jury is out on this?

or something else :crazy:

 

[borofergie]

[quote="IanD] However, to date there has been no randomized controlled trial in type 2 DM patients and health care professionals remain wary of their use, particularly as standard dietary advice from Diabetes UK does not support this approach.[/b]7[/quote][/quote]

This is a spurious argument. There isn't any evidence that low-carb diets are unhealthy over any period of time. However, because there isn't a long-term controlled study that demonstrates that there is no-risk from low-carb diets (which is impossible to do by the way) then we'll just assume that they are dangerous anyway, and instead keep promoting a diet that we know is bad for diabetics.

What are DUK doing to fund such a trial?

 

[borofergie]

sorry Ian if I am being thick but:

does that mean that low-carbing for more than 6 months is bad...

or does it mean that there have been no clinical trials so the jury is out on this?

or something else :crazy:

You're not being thick. Although, real answer is so crazy, DUK must think that we're all thick.

It means that that in the abscence of any actual evidence, they're just going to assume it's bad, and not bother funding any trials to prove themselves wrong.

DUK had the nerve to ring me up and ask me to run the Great North Run on their behalf. I was on the phone for 20 mins telling them all the reasons why the failed T2 diabetics, and how they'd never get a penny of my money.

 

[librarising]

borofergie wrote
DUK had the nerve to ring me up and ask me to run the Great North Run on their behalf. I was on the phone for 20 mins telling them all the reasons why the failed T2 diabetics, and how they'd never get a penny of my money.

P..l..e..a..s..e say you recorded that conversation. I'd love to hear it :lol:

I hope you remained polite throughout :lol: :lol:

Geoff

 

[Fraddycat]

My neighbours would call the police or come round with pickaxe handles if I ran up and down the stairs for 2 hours, I live in a terrace and my stairs are wooden!

 

[izzzi]

Hi,

Lost the plot about this topic. Best go buy the books their trying to sell. :mrgreen:

Better still just take on board the common sense from Hana, Lady J Defren. Sid, bogofergie and regulars.


Roy.

 

[Defren]

Hi,

Lost the plot about this topic. Best go buy the books their trying to sell. :mrgreen:

Better still just take on board the common sense from Hana, Lady J Defren. Sid, bogofergie and regulars.


Roy.

Can you really put my name and common sense in the same sentence? According to my children, that would be a no! :lol:

 

[GraceK]

I would totally confuse his senses by gliding around the doctor's office reciting "I am a Dalek" in my best metallic tones then I would give him a copy of The Hippocratic Oath and then tell him I'm a White Witch and my motto is "First Do No Harm ..." then I would reach into my shopping bag and bring out a tasty LCHF meal and force it down his chops ... and then I would wait to see if he could connect the dots.

 

[Defren]

I would totally confuse his senses by gliding around the doctor's office reciting "I am a Dalek" in my best metallic tones then I would give him a copy of The Hippocratic Oath and then tell him I'm a White Witch and my motto is "First Do No Harm ..." then I would reach into my shopping bag and bring out a tasty LCHF meal and force it down his chops ... and then I would wait to see if he could connect the dots.

Can't help but laugh, Grace, you've lost the plot :lol: By the way Dr Briffa is a member here, he is also a low carb advocate.

 

[GraceK]

I would totally confuse his senses by gliding around the doctor's office reciting "I am a Dalek" in my best metallic tones then I would give him a copy of The Hippocratic Oath and then tell him I'm a White Witch and my motto is "First Do No Harm ..." then I would reach into my shopping bag and bring out a tasty LCHF meal and force it down his chops ... and then I would wait to see if he could connect the dots.

Can't help but laugh, Grace, you've lost the plot :lol: By the way Dr Briffa is a member here, he is also a low carb advocate.

There's a plot? :think: :crazy:

 

[Defren]

There's a plot? :think: :crazy:

Good point!

 

[borofergie]

Let this be a warning to you kids. Your brain needs carbs. If you don't eat them then you'll end up like this...

I would totally confuse his senses by gliding around the doctor's office reciting "I am a Dalek" in my best metallic tones then I would give him a copy of The Hippocratic Oath and then tell him I'm a White Witch and my motto is "First Do No Harm ..." then I would reach into my shopping bag and bring out a tasty LCHF meal and force it down his chops ... and then I would wait to see if he could connect the dots.