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CAN MY GP REFUSE TO PRESCRIBE SUNDRIES FOR MY BG METER?

Q007

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Location
Wales. UK
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Dislikes
People who tell lies.
My GP (Dr Doom).
Good morning, I'm having a hard with my GP with her frosty manner and her just handing me yards of Andrex to read then calling time on the consultation, I have written to her today as I've had enough, so I've listed my concerns and politely asked for a review. She going to bounce off the four walls when she gets the letter and it's written in the most courteous way I could.

I've just bought a BG meter following the kind advice from caring people on here who responded to my request for advice on whether or not I'should be testing. I'm newish T2, on no meds, HBA1C has gone from 71 through 58 to me just weighing in at 43, so good scores I think. When I was first diagnosed she said she didn't think new T2 members should do BG testing as they go mad and test too often, the HBA1C would take care of business. So, in my letter of concerns I've asked if she will support prescribing lancets and strips for 3 months whilst I see what foods and ingredients spike me, from there on I'd cover costs of less frequent testing. Can she refuse to support me? - Does it vary by region? I live in Wales where we get free prescriptions so would that have an impact? - I don't suppose asking for this support in a letter of concerns will help (turkeys don't vote for Christmas). I would be grateful for advice before Medusa responds to the letter. With kind regards to all,

Q..
 
Good Morning. Yes, your GP can refuse to prescribe meter consumables etc. However, a carefully reasoned letter will allow your GP to understand your rationale for the time limited request, Your GP may still refuse your request, as the practice may have agreed to adhere to NICE and any local guidelines.


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Good morning

As a T2 she can refuse,as it's a luxury and not a necessity. Live well,eat well. . Good luck! I hope you thrive, I've seen your many posts and hope you can adapt. If I can, most people can.all the best.

Mart.
 
As T2 and I don't want to label you, but it is generally de riguer to rely on on hba1c readings. Cut out the **** and you'll be ok.

Good luck, it's a steep learning curve for us all.

Mart
 
Morning Q, whats this gadget on your desk, it looks like a bg reading meter, dont touch that James its a cleverly concealed weapon of mass destruction.

Sorry couldnt resist :D






Here is what you should expect from your care team.

15 healthcare essentials
Having the right care is essential for the well being of all people with diabetes. There is a minimum level of healthcare that every person with diabetes deserves and should expect.
Here are the 15 essential checks and services you should receive. If you aren’t getting all the care you need, take this checklist to your diabetes healthcare team and discuss it with them.

1. Get your blood glucose levels measured at least once a year. An HbA1c blood test will measure your overall blood glucose control and help you and your diabetes healthcare team set your own target.

2. Have your blood pressure measured and recorded at least once a year, and set a personal target that is right for you.

3. Have your blood fats (cholesterol) measured every year. Like blood glucose levels and blood pressure, you should have your own target that is realistic and achievable.

4. Have your eyes screened for signs of retinopathy every year. Using aspecialised digital camera, a photo of each eye will be taken and examined by a specialist who will look for any changes to your retina (the seeing part at the back of your eye).

5. Have your feet checked – the skin, circulation and nerve supply of your feet should be examined annually. You should be told if you have any risk of foot problems, how serious they are and if you will be referred to a specialist podiatrist or specialist foot clinic.

6. Have your kidney function monitored annually. You should have two tests for your kidneys: urine test for protein (a sign of possible kidney problems) and a blood test to measure kidney function.

7. Have your weight checked and have your waist measured to see if you need to lose weight.

8. Get support if you are a smoker including advice and support on how to quit. Having diabetes already puts people at increased risk of heart disease and stroke, and smoking further increases this risk.

9. Receive care planning to meet your individual needs – you live with diabetes every day so you should have a say in every aspect of your care. Your yearly care plan should be agreed as a result of a discussion between you and your diabetes healthcare team, where you talk about your individual needs and set targets.*

10. Attend an education course to help you understand and manage your diabetes. You should be offered and have the opportunity to attend courses in your local area.

11. Receive paediatric care if you are a child or young person. You should receive care from specialist diabetes paediatric healthcare professionals. When the time comes to leave paediatric care, you should know exactly what to expect so you have a smooth change over to adult health services.

12. Receive high quality care if admitted to hospital. If you have to stay in hospital, you should still continue to receive high-quality diabetes care from specialist diabetes healthcare professionals, regardless of whether you have been admitted due to your diabetes or not.

13. Get information and specialist care if you are planning to have a baby as your diabetes control has to be a lot tighter and monitored very closely. You should expect care and support from specialist healthcare professionals at every stage from preconception to post-natal care.

14. See specialist diabetes healthcare professionals to help you manage your diabetes. Diabetes affects different parts of the body and you should have the opportunity to see specialist professionals such as an ophthalmologist, podiatrist or dietitian.

15. Get emotional and psychological support. Being diagnosed with diabetes and living with a long term condition can be difficult. You should be able to talk about your issues and concerns with specialist healthcare professionals.

Checks and services for children.
Children should receive more frequent HbA1c measurements and regular weight, height and general health checks from their healthcare team. Formal screening for complications generally begin at age 12.

The above is reprinted from a DUK leaflet, for more information about the Diabetes UK charirty – http://www.diabetes.org.uk

OK so thats what you should expect but unfortunately not necessarily what you want ie bg meters and test strips etc, these unfortunately are prescribed at your GP's discretion unless you are on insulin and in some cases other meds with insulin like properties, even some T2's on Glic do not get test strips prescribed or have them limited.

This is perfectly fine for anyone who is not bothered about self management, but is not so good for those of us who are proactive and interested in self management. The NHS is skint and savings have to be made and as most doctors dont realise that you can actually be proactive in controlling T2 diabetes they feel they are largely unnecessary.

I had some degree of success with my GP who wanted to stop prescribing me any test strips by explaining to him how I used them to get the tight control that I still enjoy today, I am still made to feel as though it is some special privilege though which makes me loath to ask for any except the bare minimum of a couple of boxes a year now, I make the excess up from getting "free" meters whenever I see them advertised which generally come with 10 strips and I buy a few boxes off eBay too. That said I am lucky in that I now know what I can and cant eat and as long as I dont deviate too far from my knowledge base I dont go too far wrong.

The best way to get strips is to get your GP on side and no one has ever done that by being aggressive and saying they know best, I am not saying that to anyone in particular but there are so many posts on here saying how people argue with their GP's and that is only ever going to end badly. If you can show the benefits of testing without sounding like a know it all or some low carb fanatic or being aggressive you may have a chance of getting a few boxes to help you but I think we have to accept that some practices will have a blanket "no strips" policy in place and that is going to be hard to get around for some.

The bottom line for anyone who wants to be proactive in their management is that you have to get test strips by what ever method you can and that will be easier if you have a good relationship with your GP as no one else gives them away free.
 
I personally think it's disgraceful not being prescribed testing strips. It's down to cutting costs. I work in a GP surgery and I'm a prescription clerk!!! I check prices of meds etc and there are no many folk being taken off expensive meds. I'm type 1 so get strips no bother. Good luck.


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SID BONKERS: thanks as always for the kind reply, just wanted to respond if I may. I read your comments very carefully and, whilst I agree that no one gets very far by trying to out smart a GP, I'm just not prepared to have this God like stance some of them take, my GP is frosty and gets agitated when I start to use any medical terms or quote research I've found and I'm not putting up with it, I'm perfectly civil to her but ready for a battle if she now so chooses. Years ago, because omoprazole wasn't holding its it's own anymore in controlling stomach acid and reflux she wanted me to see a consultant and recommended an endoscopy ( camera through your mouth down to your belly) she said the waiting list was about 3 months. I said scrap the wait I'll go private, I had the procedure done 48 hours later and because I've seen an upper GI being done I elected for a general anaesthetic the bill came to £1,000 for a 6 minute procedure and as a day case. All was ok, consultant recommended we hit the ailment with a drug called Nexium and gave me a letter there and then which I took to the GP. She refused the drug on the basis that it was a secondary care drug. She'd sent me to a consultant for a second opinion, it cost me a bag of sand, she has his opinion and it gets binned. She told me very clearly the drug was too expensive and that she was self employed and would never make a living if she just spent money on drugs that cost this much to every patient. You know, I never ever thought I'd ever get caught up in profit before patients. I took the primary care practice on, lobbied in a courteous way to other GP's and eventually got the drug, my problem is fixed now. But where would I have been if I'd have let it go?

Just to be crystal she can, by NHS guidelines, legitimately refuse to supply sundries for BG monitoring then, yes?

Q out..


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Picci said:
... I work in a GP surgery and I'm a prescription clerk!!! I check prices of meds etc...


Hi Picci,

Do you know the price of the Contour test strips and the Accu Chek Compact drums? I already know the cost of the Accu Chek Mobile per 100 tests for the GP.
 
Dear Q007
Your GP is not obliged to prescribe anything in the NHS.

Her refusal to prescribe a higher cost drug, recommended by a private consultant, is covered by the Private to NHS care, where a patient should not receive an advantage over a patient who saw an NHS consultant.
In private work a consultant does not have to follow local guidelines and so if you wanted that drug, as opposed to an equivalent NHS recommended drug, the consultant could have written a private prescription, but you would have had to pay the full price.

Any prescriber is responsible for their own prescribing and can decide if the request is appropriate.

Sorry, I know it seems unfair, but it is better to try and explain your rationale.

Best Wishes

Westie2








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I thought it might be worth quoting from the latest NICE Diabetes Pathways document on the web ref self-monitoring:

Self-monitoring of plasma glucose should be available:
• to those on insulin treatment
• to those on oral glucose-lowering medications to provide information on hypoglycaemia
• to assess changes in glucose control resulting from medications and lifestyle change
• to monitor changes during intercurrent illness
• to ensure safety during activities, including driving.

Discuss the purpose of self-monitoring and how to interpret and act on the results.

Offer to a person newly diagnosed only as an integral part of self-management education.

Monitoring

Assess at least annually, and in a structured way:
• self-monitoring skills
• the quality and frequency of testing
• how the results are used
• the impact on quality of life
• the continued benefit
• the equipment used.

Discuss urine glucose monitoring if plasma monitoring is found to be unacceptable
.

From this you can see that NICE does support monitoring in the right context and those on Gliclazide or the GLP1 injectables etc. I think this is more supportive than previous versions of the Pathways document.

I just wish GPs would be honest and say the limitation is due to cost rather than claim it's not necessary etc. At the end of the day meters can be obtained for free and strips can be bought fairly cheaply on the web esp eBay so I've never bothered to ask. Surprisingly my new DN when she put me onto insulin recently realised I had been buying my own strips for use with my diabetes tablets and she said 'I can put those on prescription for you; you don't need to buy your own'; how enlightened. I don't think it was because I was going onto insulin.
 
WESTIE2; Thanks very much for that, seems like I'm not going to get support here then with my primary care practise. Are there ANY T2 members getting strips and lancets on prescription please?

Kind wishes,

Q ..


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I am Type 2, and get strips and lancets because of the meds I am on can cause hypos, I also drive which is where a lot of strips get used ie in the before driving and the 2 hourly retesting whilst driving.
 
Wow.. That's dope! - my drawback is I'm not on any meds so I have much chance of getting strips and lancets than getting a date with Kate Beckinsale. Mind, think I'd trade in the strips and needles for the date.

I could finish every sentence you were saying, that's my exact approach to BG testing in such an early stage, to guide me through what I can eat and support / compliment the HBA1C testing.

Aww well I'll ' ave a go; place your bets only 10p a go will I or won't I .. Roll up roll up .. Letters due to land tomorrow. Actually, give me till 09:01 am tomorrow to get the first NO .. then give me a week. See if I can charm my way with another GP I know there.

What'd you reckon then? Mmm?

Kind wishes,

Q out.


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Q007 said:
WESTIE2; Thanks very much for that, seems like I'm not going to get support here then with my primary care practise. Are there ANY T2 members getting strips and lancets on prescription please?

Kind wishes,

Q ..


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Every newly-diagnosed diabetic in our practice gets a meter, strips and lancets on prescription, automatically. The specialist GP syas "test once or twice a week" :roll: . The practice nurse understands the "before and 2 hours after" idea and advises that in the beginning.

I have a monthly repeat prescription for 1 tub of 50 strips, which I now only get once every 2 months as I now know (through testing) what I can and can't eat. I do at least one day's full testing every week or so, to make sure I'm still on track. I've never had a repeat lancet prescription 'cos I only change them when they start to hurt!

I'm Type 2 on Metformin, and now am hardly ever outside non-diabetic levels, apart from a bad 3 months after Christmas this year :oops: , and even then I was never outside the Type 2 recommended levels.

It is possibe for a Type 2 to achieve tight diabetic control, but you can't do it without a meter. Despite my bad 3 months, my last HbA1c was 5.3%.

Viv 8)
 
NOMISTHEMAND & SID BONKERS: - Thank you indeed for the information and advice given, and for the encouragement. I'm learning so much here. I'm using my monitor for 3 days now and readings pre \ post are c5.9 - c7.1 respectively. Appreciate your time.

Yesterday, for reasons I just don't understand the readings went north. I woke up feeling unwell and tired \ fatigue and fasting through the night test weighed in at 7.1?? - previous days reading was 6.1? then, post prandial read out was 7.9 which started anxiety off. I had mild chest pains that went under my armpits (but I don't think this was cardio), just didn't get what went on and nothing in the destructions booklet to explain why two identical days with same food intake (same meals) could vary, I'd question myself more than the machine and would be so keen to learn what went wrong .. will I get days like this and what sets off high readings vs low readings when you have 2 days that are identical?

Kind wishes to all, (Yeah, I get the Q007 or "Q" gags and it's ok, bring 'em on, my real life every day nickname is Q)..

Q..
 
The practise nurse I saw recently on another matter asked me how my sugars were. She was a bit taken aback when I said How am I supposed to know? She admitted that GP practises get £3000 per diabetic who they manage to get below a certain HBa1c reading. It strikes me they'd have more success if they spent a bit of that money assisting diabetics to achieve that goal by prescribing strips.
 
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