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Carb flu - how to get past it?

Legally it's the patient's decision, actually. Previously he was unwilling to even consider it.
Good luck getting any doctor to go along with that theory. Doctors view insulin therapy as absolutely the last option for Type 2's and with good reason if you check the stats on mortality. Most refuse to do c-peptide tests even on slim type 2's who are more likely to be having problems producing sufficient insulin so I imagine it's even less likely for someone who probably has massive insulin resistance like the OP.
 
@CatLadyNZ I think you may have missed my point. The decision should be that of the Endo and not any of us as we are not medically qualified. What @akindrat18 decides is entirely up to him.
No, I didn't miss your point. I think you misunderstood mine. It's clear that I wasn't telling akindrat what to do. But you and those who rush to like your post will see what you want to see. Personally, I think trying to chastise a poster for encouraging someone to get the best medical care for them when their health is in grave danger is petty.
 
Good luck getting any doctor to go along with that theory. Doctors view insulin therapy as absolutely the last option for Type 2's and with good reason if you check the stats on mortality. Most refuse to do c-peptide tests even on slim type 2's who are more likely to be having problems producing sufficient insulin so I imagine it's even less likely for someone who probably has massive insulin resistance like the OP.
Do you not think akindrat's long term high BG levels and complications like thrush and foot infections indicates he is getting into last resort territory? What treatment options do you think would get his diabetes under control at this point? How feasible are they for him? Have his HCPs been proactive enough?

He has said he thinks he needs to be on insulin. Many doctors would agree with that, IMO.
 
I already suffer from thrush and I've had it for months and I suspect that I may have an infection in my left big toe as its painful and red.

You suspect? How much support do you need before you listen and take action? More walking, more effort.
 
No, I didn't miss your point. I think you misunderstood mine. It's clear that I wasn't telling akindrat what to do. But you and those who rush to like your post will see what you want to see. Personally, I think trying to chastise a poster for encouraging someone to get the best medical care for them when their health is in grave danger is petty.

You do NOT speak for me and never pretend that you do. Insulting
 
Do you not think akindrat's long term high BG levels and complications like thrush and foot infections indicates he is getting into last resort territory? What treatment options do you think would get his diabetes under control at this point? How feasible are they for him? Have his HCPs been proactive enough?

He has said he thinks he needs to be on insulin. Many doctors would agree with that, IMO.
I'm not trying to outline what treatment options would, should or could be available to him because I'm not medically qualified to comment. If we lived in an ideal world, things may be different, but I've read enough posts by people going through the system in the UK to know that the kind of personalised medicine you're describing just doesn't happen - or only happens if people are extremely lucky with their doctors.
 
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I'm not trying to outlline what treatment options would, should or could be available to him because I'm not medically qualified to comment. If we lived in an ideal world, things may be different, but I've read enough posts by people going through the system in the UK to know that the kind of personalised medicine you're describing just doesn't happen - or only happens if people are extremely lucky with their doctors.
People don't need to be medically qualified to suggest ideas for discussion with HCPs, and this happens all the time at this forum.

I dont see the harm in akindrat asking his HCPs if they would consider starting him on insulin. There appears to be several clinical factors pointing in this direction. The NICE guidelines include HCPs offering insulin therapy to people with T2 when clinically indicated, and c-peptide tests aren't a part of that, unless another diagnosis is suspected. I've read about several people on this forum who have T2 and are on insulin, probably many of them with less clinical need for it than akindrat appears to have.

I've seen no indication from akindrat's posts that he thinks his HCPs would not be open to discussing insulin.
 
You suspect? How much support do you need before you listen and take action? More walking, more effort.
If he has an active foot infection, I doubt a HCP would tell him to do a lot of walking at that time. I've had a lower leg infection and I was told to keep it elevated at all times.
 
@CatLadyNZ

You do not speak for me either, nor should you be telling people to go against their HCP's or change their HCP's if they can't get what you think they should be getting, you are not a HCP.

I am a slim T2 on insulin because I cannot take other medication like tablets for other medical reasons, I have always been on insulin form diagnosis.
 
Well, June C was talking as if she could speak for me, so yeah.

I support people being assertive to get the care they need and deserve, sue me.

Since you feel entitled to try and tell me what I should do, I'm going to remind you of the forum rules, and the expectation that posts will be on topic and aimed at assisting the OP. If you don't like what I post, send me a PM, report it to the mods, post in the actual thread instead of invading some other person's thread, or suck it up.

This'll probably get deleted by the mods anyway. Which is as it should be. Really, people need to stop attacking other posters if they get their nose out of joint. It's getting ridiculous.


I support people being assertive too, to get the help and care they need, but there is a line I do not cross.
 
I support people being assertive too, to get the help and care they need, but there is a line I do not cross.
That's fine, your opinion.
 
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Please can we all move on. Rudeness towards other posters will not be tolerated. Please keep your posts on topic.
 
Do you not think akindrat's long term high BG levels and complications like thrush and foot infections indicates he is getting into last resort territory? What treatment options do you think would get his diabetes under control at this point? How feasible are they for him? Have his HCPs been proactive enough?

He has said he thinks he needs to be on insulin. Many doctors would agree with that, IMO.

Cat lady. Your experience with "insulin" is regarding a "diabetic cat on Lantus" you mentioned owning once in a thread.. I can't speak for everything else you've read about. ;) (OK, to be fair. You have mentioned a couple of seemingly uncontrolled T1 friends too.)

My HCPs would not be "proactive enough" if I didn't divulge or was honest about my lifestyle & diatary habits during consultations..
& neither would yours..

T1 I dependant 39 years experience speaking here.. Insulin therapy opens up a whole new "can o worms". It's not a temporary quick fix. It takes a lot of adjustment.. Constantly!!

The focus should be on the OPs self confessed secret high cab snacking. Then work from there. He will get plenty of support for that.. Then see where it stands.?
 
Please can we all move on. Rudeness towards other posters will not be tolerated. Please keep your posts on topic.

Fine by me but you do not attack people who happen to "like" a post. That I will not tolerate. Fair enough?

Mike
 
Cat lady. Your experience with "insulin" is regarding a "diabetic cat on Lantus" you mentioned owning once in a thread.. I can't speak for everything else you've read about. ;) (OK, to be fair. You have mentioned a couple of seemingly uncontrolled T1 freinds too.)

My HCPs would not be "proactive enough" if I didn't divulge or was honest about my lifestyle & diatary habits during consultations..
& neither would yours..

T1 I dependant 39 years experience speaking here.. Insulin therapy opens up a whole new "can o worms". It's not a temporary quick fix. It takes a lot of adjustment.. Constantly!!

The focus should be on the OPs self confessed secret high cab snacking. Then work from there. He will get plenty of support for that.. Then see where it stands.?
My personal experience is irrelevant. I can read. akindrat has said he thinks he should be on insulin. So this is not about me. I am just being supportive/encouraging of him, which is what this forum is for.

His HCPs know what his BG levels are (very high over a long timeframe), and what complications he has. At this stage, IMO it doesn't matter so much whether they know in detail about his food issues or not. I am sure they realise that as an overweight person, he has room to improve in that area. I agree, honesty is ideal, but I don't think that should stop him asking about insulin if he wants to.

I'm well aware there are benefits, side effects and risks with insulin as with any treatment. Please show me where I said it was a temporary quick fix and that it wouldn't take a lot of adjustment.

If you want to focus on the OP's food habits, that's cool. I choose to focus on other things, for certain reasons. This thread has seen an enormous amount of focus on his eating habits. He now believes he has psychological issues that affect those, and he is seeing a HCP about them.
 
My personal experience is irrelevant. I can read. akindrat has said he thinks he should be on insulin. So this is not about me. I am just being supportive/encouraging of him, which is what this forum is for.

His HCPs know what his BG levels are (very high over a long timeframe), and what complications he has. At this stage, IMO it doesn't matter so much whether they know in detail about his food issues or not. I am sure they realise that as an overweight person, he has room to improve in that area. I agree, honesty is ideal, but I don't think that should stop him asking about insulin if he wants to.

I'm well aware there are benefits, side effects and risks with insulin as with any treatment. Please show me where I said it was a temporary quick fix and that it wouldn't take a lot of adjustment.

If you want to focus on the OP's food habits, that's cool. I choose to focus on other things, for certain reasons. This thread has seen an enormous amount of focus on his eating habits. He now believes he has psychological issues that affect those, and he is seeing a HCP about them.
What do you mean your "personal experience.is irrelevant"?? It's prescribed insulin! The possible highs. The possible Sharp lows..?? As a possible reality, using insulin as a "secret snacker" who is uninitiated on this stuff, could be a devastation to personal confidence..

I'm rooting for the OP. So how about some counselling about the diet first..? I seem to remember "once upon a time" you were into "counselling" of psychological issues..
 
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Despite my earlier annoyance at @akindrat18, leading us all over the place with his tales of how low carb was making him ill, and his mother's assertion that it was low carb diet that hospitalised him recently, now that he has 'come clean' and told us of his secret 'snacking', I am with @Jaylee in rooting for akindrat18 again.

@akindrat18, you are playing Russian roulette now, and running out of time to save yourself. I believe you have it in mind that insulin would mean you could carry on snacking and adjust amount of insulin to compensate for that? Hope I am wrong. How about getting support from counselling, getting some support and encouragement here, and seriously being honest with all concerned. Even when you have resorted to 'snacking' when you didn't mean to. Own it man. Addiction to any substance is a dreadful affliction, but not insurmountable, but you have to be proactive.
 
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is that I honestly think any HCP who would prescribe insulin to someone with an untreated binge eating disorder would be asking for big trouble. I can't even imagine how it could be considered ethical.
 
My
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is that I honestly think any HCP who would prescribe insulin to someone with an untreated binge eating disorder would be asking for big trouble. I can't even imagine how it could be considered ethical.
Well, the HCP might not think the person has a binge eating disorder (there's not a lot of understanding about it as it hasn't been in the DSM long), or they might refer the person to an eating disorder service while following the NICE guidelines about when and how to start a T2 on insulin, and closely monitoring (as per the guidelines). Or they could ignore the guidelines and just leave them in a hyperglycaemic state with increasing complications. It's up to them really, not much point in us speculating.
http://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg87/chapter/1-recommendations#glucose-control-insulin-therapy
 
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