I have in front of me now the Diabetes UK 'Your Guide to Type 2 Diabetes' published in 2014. It takes 36 pages before it reaches food at all. On that page there is a recommendation to eat between 5 and 14 portions of starchy foods (ie bread, rice, potatoes or pasta) per day, one third of your diet. This is the eat well plate.
Tucked away on page 39 is: "the amount of carbohydrate you eat has the biggest influence on your blood glucose levels after meals" (my bolding). On the same page though is the suggestion to add baked beans to a jacket potato and salad for lunch.
I operate quite happily on 20-30g a day, but then I don’t eat digestive biscuits. I can treat a hypo effectively with one or two 3g dextrose tablets as I have so much less insulin floating around.Sorry to stick out guys, but I just cannot accept that extreme low carb diet is possible or preferable for longstanding Type 1s like me. People are talking about 20gm carbs a day! That’s about 2 digestive biscuits in a whole day! An average hypo would need about 40gm carb to treat. I have been Type 1 on insulin for about 45 years, a veggie, of below average weight and with no obvious complications yet. I try to have a balanced law starch diet and carb count and inject (DAPHNE trained). I feel I have done quite well on an average 150gm carbs a day. Maybe I have just been lucky but I find this constant talk of extreme low carb diet rather tiring.
Handbags at dawn in my case, not much of a physical fighter! But show me something that isn't just and I'm in there. I worked on the last census. Put £3000 worth of extra hours in as did many others across the country. Went to court to get that little monkey sortedonly 8 of us in the end but i dont give up. Even got matching holiday pay. Shouldn't have to fight but sometimes when things aren't right you just have it to do. Anyway, my hand bag is massive with everything plus the kitchen sink in. Lethal weapon! Let's go!!!
I find it sad that there are medical professionals still handing this out. If I ate this I imagine I would need insulin. As it is I have normal levels, feel energetic and well and take no medication for diabetes. I cost the NHS very little. I look after my health and I eat the most lovely food which contains little carbohydrate. Everyone needs to know that this disease does not need to be progressive and that we all have a choice. I don't think we should try to force low carb on people, just give everyone the information and let them make a choice.This is what I got from my diabetic nurse at my first appointment in December sadly.
You can take a horse to water but can't make it drink. But the NHS need to explain the choices to pts. And spell out the complications of progressive diabetes.I find it sad that there are medical professionals still handing this out. If I ate this I imagine I would need insulin. As it is I have normal levels, feel energetic and well and take no medication for diabetes. I cost the NHS very little. I look after my health and I eat the most lovely food which contains little carbohydrate. Everyone needs to know that this disease does not need to be progressive and that we all have a choice. I don't think we should try to force low carb on people, just give everyone the information and let them make a choice.
On the same page though is the suggestion to add baked beans to a jacket potato and salad for lunch.
I think we need a head in hands emoji for that one..I have in front of me now the Diabetes UK 'Your Guide to Type 2 Diabetes' published in 2014. It takes 36 pages before it reaches food at all. On that page there is a recommendation to eat between 5 and 14 portions of starchy foods (ie bread, rice, potatoes or pasta) per day, one third of your diet. This is the eat well plate.
Tucked away on page 39 is: "the amount of carbohydrate you eat has the biggest influence on your blood glucose levels after meals" (my bolding). On the same page though is the suggestion to add baked beans to a jacket potato and salad for lunch.
Oh I have moved on from that years ago, I just mention it here on the forum when it is relevant to a discussion.
The thing that upsets me the most is that the same GP did tests and found that I had fatty liver...and didn't tell me! A few years later another doctor told me about it but said that nothing could be done. I researched and improved it myself by low carbing. Firstly why would a GP withhold such information from a patient? Secondly to say nothing could be done about it is ridiculous, the info is out there. I bought a book about Syndrome X as soon as I was informed, but I did need that crucial bit of info before I could help myself. They were my blood tests results. I had a right to know them.
Another upsetting thing for me is that when an overweight person goes to a GP they do tests for blood glucose levels, but not for insulin levels. Since insulin is a fat building hormone I would have thought that that would be a good place to start if someone is piling on the pounds. I was insulin resistant for many years (20, 25?) before I became T2. I didn't know about IR then, but my doctors should have. All those years with too much insulin have damaged my body. I am pretty upset about that. I am trying to repair it now by low carbing so I really don't see why a lot of the medical profession can't see that carbs are a problem if someone is overweight. I have been left to my own devices and have struggled with simply living and being morbidly obese, that's why I take exception to someone saying we shouldn't criticize the professionals and defending them. Why are they there if not to help us?
The fact that so many of us have taken exception to a particular member's words defending HCPs means that we have all been in the same boat so it's not just one rotten apple. I think we all have a right to post about how HCPs being against LCHF has affected our health, the thread is about carbs and a doctor and DN
I under stand what you are saying @zand . One hundred percent that is why i responded to your post. I also could tell you a my story, bout my child, but i can't at the moment because i choose to forgive. I am not young you see, but am only trying to help. As for the other poster i have nothing to say really.. Please Zand you can move on as i did. Thank you for being respectful and for listening.Ive just never come across it.
I have in front of me now the Diabetes UK 'Your Guide to Type 2 Diabetes' published in 2014. It takes 36 pages before it reaches food at all. On that page there is a recommendation to eat between 5 and 14 portions of starchy foods (ie bread, rice, potatoes or pasta) per day, one third of your diet. This is the eat well plate.
Tucked away on page 39 is: "the amount of carbohydrate you eat has the biggest influence on your blood glucose levels after meals" (my bolding). On the same page though is the suggestion to add baked beans to a jacket potato and salad for lunch.
Yes you did@Debandez It was in your post to me. If you don't see it, it is because you put in a post. Once again i say to you, in all good will. Have a good day/night were ever you hail from.Ive just never come across it.
I understand all of what you are saying@zand and your pain and suffering about your child. I could also tell you about the very same thing. I can't however because it would be to long, I simply choose not to be a victim and became the victor over it all ,through ''''''''"forgiveness..' I can't say any more and hope that you ,will like me ,be the victor.....You go girl... Monica. Wishing you all the best. Be strong.Oh I have moved on from that years ago, I just mention it here on the forum when it is relevant to a discussion.
The thing that upsets me the most is that the same GP did tests and found that I had fatty liver...and didn't tell me! A few years later another doctor told me about it but said that nothing could be done. I researched and improved it myself by low carbing. Firstly why would a GP withhold such information from a patient? Secondly to say nothing could be done about it is ridiculous, the info is out there. I bought a book about Syndrome X as soon as I was informed, but I did need that crucial bit of info before I could help myself. They were my blood tests results. I had a right to know them.
Another upsetting thing for me is that when an overweight person goes to a GP they do tests for blood glucose levels, but not for insulin levels. Since insulin is a fat building hormone I would have thought that that would be a good place to start if someone is piling on the pounds. I was insulin resistant for many years (20, 25?) before I became T2. I didn't know about IR then, but my doctors should have. All those years with too much insulin have damaged my body. I am pretty upset about that. I am trying to repair it now by low carbing so I really don't see why a lot of the medical profession can't see that carbs are a problem if someone is overweight. I have been left to my own devices and have struggled with simply living and being morbidly obese, that's why I take exception to someone saying we shouldn't criticize the professionals and defending them. Why are they there if not to help us?
The fact that so many of us have taken exception to a particular member's words defending HCPs means that we have all been in the same boat so it's not just one rotten apple. I think we all have a right to post about how HCPs being against LCHF has affected our health, the thread is about carbs and a doctor and DN
So I have an appointment coming up and I will be quizzed about my diet (low carb and working very well). What do you say when you are lectured about eating carbs and how important they are. I’m fed up smiling sweetly and agreeing. I keep getting told I need carbs yet doing just fine on 20g a day. Thanks x
Trust me, after 28 sessions of counselling to recover from PTSD I am no victim. I actually wish I had had more of a victim mentality because I should have taken one GP to court (not any of the ones I have ever talked about on this forum, ) to save others going through what he put me through. I didn't sue him because I didn't want compensation and I didn't want the hassle, I just wanted to move on, but now, 30 years later I feel guilty for not doing anything and just walking away when I could have saved others from going through what I went through. I understand all about forgiveness and have talked about it on here a few times, but there's times when just turning the other cheek isn't right and we should stand up and be counted.I understand all of what you are saying@zand and your pain and suffering about your child. I could also tell you about the very same thing. I can't however because it would be to long, I simply choose not to be a victim and became the victor over it all ,through ''''''''"forgiveness..' I can't say any more and hope that you ,will like me ,be the victor.....You go girl... Monica. Wishing you all the best. Be strong.
Hello Flora123
I’m a GP. Try this...
‘I eat real unprocessed food, and a low enough carb level to keep my blood glucose normal. I’m told that my body makes glucose so I don’t need to eat it.’
The process by which the body makes sugar is called gluconeogenesis.
Many people forget this in their zeal to follow outdated guidelines. Technology proves to us that they are wrong.
Nice guidance states we should give individualised carbohydrate advice, and low GI, so if you need to go as low as 20g to keep your blood glucose normal, that is the right amount for you. Not a lot of people know that yet. It is in NICE type 2 Diabetes December 2015 1.1.1 and 1.3.3.
Hope that makes sense.
There are great courses about this now from the Public Health Collaboration and Inspired Medics that they could sign up with, but they are relatively new.
I might help your view to state whether you are or have been a health care provider, as the last sentence here suggests. If you feel that you as a present or past health professional has been personally criticised, stating that might help to clear the air.Then learn not to bully, which many of you do. My criticism was not about your chosen way but the disrespect. You might not be one and I can't be bothered to look back and check, but there were plenty. I am glad my patients respected me better and proud we achieved our goals.
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@kitedocI might help your view to state whether you are or have been a health care provider, as the last sentence here suggests. If you feel that you as a present or past health professional has been personally criticised, stating that might help to clear the air.
As a past health professional myself I try to stick to personal experiences and sometimes anecdotes/stories of fellow diabetics where I believe these are accurate and helpful.
There is sometimes a fine line between relating one's own experience and appearing to be giving advice. That is where moderators have a part to play in keeping that line clear.
Difference of opinion is part of what can make a forum useful, just like the phrase ' a Government is only as strong as its Opposition party.' But we also know how disrespectful politicians can be!
Thank you @Guzzler, I saw that but felt I needed to say something for the record.@kitedoc
You may not get a reply because the member has requested that her account be closed. While there is always a chance that Sani might reconsider I think it unlikely.
I might help your view to state whether you are or have been a health care provider, as the last sentence here suggests. If you feel that you as a present or past health professional has been personally criticised, stating that might help to clear the air.
As a past health professional myself I try to stick to personal experiences and sometimes anecdotes/stories of fellow diabetics where I believe these are accurate and helpful.
There is sometimes a fine line between relating one's own experience and appearing to be giving advice. That is where moderators have a part to play in keeping that line clear.
Difference of opinion is part of what can make a forum useful, just like the phrase ' a Government is only as strong as its Opposition party.' But we also know how disrespectful politicians can be!
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