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Type 2 Carbs And The Doctor/dn

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Flora123, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    There is a whole world of difference between the absence of insulin and hyperinsulinaemia. Your regime has worked for you so you needn't feel pressured into the low carb approach but this approach works for the majority of people with T2 and for some with T1. The number of carbs is immaterial in itself, what is important is the number of carbs that gets the best results for the individual.
     
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  2. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi. I don't think we are being told that 20gm/day is the 'right' amount but OK if you tolerate that low level. Like you I have around 150gm/day with my insulin but for T2s on just tablets (like I was before finally being offered insulin) going way below 100/gm may be the only way to keep BS down. In many ways being T1 on insulin makes life so much easier than being a struggling T2.
     
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  3. There is no Spoon

    There is no Spoon I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    IF were going to WAR I need to change to my Bugs Bunny Avatar.
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  4. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    It is certainly possible and achievable.. check out typeonegtrit on facebook. Whether you wish to do it is your choice. Of course when you are eating that way digestive biscuits are off the menu but eggs and bacon steak mushrooms and spinach with butter and cream are on it. As for hypo treatments you likely would need far fewer as insulin requirements would be reduced. Agreed its not for all but it should still be considered as an option. For Type 2's it has huge benefits not only lower bloods but for the most part easy weightloss without hunger too. Not a lot to say against it really.
     
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  5. Flora123

    Flora123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. I will remember that!
     
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  6. Indy51

    Indy51 Type 2 · Expert

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    Maybe things with Type 2 treatment are different here in WA, Oz or maybe it's just my GP. After diagnosis I got sent off to do a group course given by a diabetes educator - I went for the first day and decided it wasn't for me and that self-research would suit me better. My doc has only ever congratulated me on my control and expressed zero interest in how I did it. If he expressed interest, I'd tell him.

    I think the short appointment time turnaround culture doesn't do much for communication these days. Never any diagreements or clashes of any kind. Every 6 months he writes me lab requests for the Type 2 test battery, a larger range at 12 months and gives me a referral to the podiatrist. I make my own arrangements with optometrist for eye testing. All very routine and boring really.

    Different story with my hospital respiratory specialists who I'm pretty sure have written me off as non compliant because I won't take their advice on new medications that I can't see any benefit in, except possibly for them. But that's a whole other story and issue :D
     
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  7. Moggely

    Moggely · Guest

    What a shame @Debandez , you mange to find everything else. However you did find it, it is in your comment. Have a good day/night.
     
  8. Moggely

    Moggely · Guest

    @zand i have heard your story about your son and my sympathies go out to you, however it is you that kept him alive and yes the GP let you down. One form of healing for that painful memory and one only is Forgiveness. Yes it is hard but you can be the victor, not the victim. I really hope that helps.
     
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    kitedoc Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @Honeyend, As a retired GP I second your sentiments. I used to photocopy (and enlarge) food ingredients on some food packets to show to patients and to help emphasise the information on there and provide education. The printing is too small on many food packets also. One image I found helpful was of a word written in a Chinese graphic symbol - the word 'to listen' had 4 elements: Ears, Eyes, Heart and Undivided Attention - so elegantly simple yet so often not used. Whilst disrespectful language seems more and more to be viewed by some patients as their right, it sadly hurts them more than the health provider - not that I agree that such behaviour is acceptable.
     
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  10. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    The use of this guttersnipe type of language is something I struggle to understand. Don't misunderstand, if I stub my toe I can swear like a scouse stevedore but there's a time and a place.
     
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  11. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    Yes.
    5 or 6 years ago I was told (photocopied A4 diet sheet) that I should be on 9 portions of ‘brown carbs’ a day.

    What a lovely thought! The idea of ploughing through all that brown bread, brown rice and brown pasta... horrible.

    Needless to say I binned the bit of paper before leaving the building.
     
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  12. Safi

    Safi Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    My colon hurts just thinking about it :inpain:
     
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  13. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    Oh I have moved on from that years ago, I just mention it here on the forum when it is relevant to a discussion.

    The thing that upsets me the most is that the same GP did tests and found that I had fatty liver...and didn't tell me! A few years later another doctor told me about it but said that nothing could be done. I researched and improved it myself by low carbing. Firstly why would a GP withhold such information from a patient? Secondly to say nothing could be done about it is ridiculous, the info is out there. I bought a book about Syndrome X as soon as I was informed, but I did need that crucial bit of info before I could help myself. They were my blood tests results. I had a right to know them.

    Another upsetting thing for me is that when an overweight person goes to a GP they do tests for blood glucose levels, but not for insulin levels. Since insulin is a fat building hormone I would have thought that that would be a good place to start if someone is piling on the pounds. I was insulin resistant for many years (20, 25?) before I became T2. I didn't know about IR then, but my doctors should have. All those years with too much insulin have damaged my body. I am pretty upset about that. I am trying to repair it now by low carbing so I really don't see why a lot of the medical profession can't see that carbs are a problem if someone is overweight. I have been left to my own devices and have struggled with simply living and being morbidly obese, that's why I take exception to someone saying we shouldn't criticize the professionals and defending them. Why are they there if not to help us?

    The fact that so many of us have taken exception to a particular member's words defending HCPs means that we have all been in the same boat so it's not just one rotten apple. I think we all have a right to post about how HCPs being against LCHF has affected our health, the thread is about carbs and a doctor and DN
     
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  14. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    The 1936 diabetes guidelines are in fact LCHF.
     
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  15. Safi

    Safi Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I think the advice many are given by their HCPs not to test their blood sugar is probably the most stupefying to me. I simply can't get my head around it.
     
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  16. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Handbags at dawn in my case, not much of a physical fighter! But show me something that isn't just and I'm in there. I worked on the last census. Put £3000 worth of extra hours in as did many others across the country. Went to court to get that little monkey sorted :) only 8 of us in the end but i dont give up. Even got matching holiday pay. Shouldn't have to fight but sometimes when things aren't right you just have it to do. Anyway, my hand bag is massive with everything plus the kitchen sink in. Lethal weapon! Let's go!!!
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Ive just never come across it.
     
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  18. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    My meter is the answer to all my problems. Best investment ever.
     
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  19. Jay-Marc

    Jay-Marc Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have in front of me now the Diabetes UK 'Your Guide to Type 2 Diabetes' published in 2014. It takes 36 pages before it reaches food at all. On that page there is a recommendation to eat between 5 and 14 portions of starchy foods (ie bread, rice, potatoes or pasta) per day, one third of your diet. This is the eat well plate.

    Tucked away on page 39 is: "the amount of carbohydrate you eat has the biggest influence on your blood glucose levels after meals" (my bolding). On the same page though is the suggestion to add baked beans to a jacket potato and salad for lunch.
     
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  20. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    'Thud' That was sound of my jaw hitting the floor.
     
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