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Covid/Coronavirus and diabetes - the numbers

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Lupf, May 15, 2020.

  1. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Eamon Holmes suggested that the 5g conspiracy theory could be discussed, and hopefully shown up for being total nonsense, which seems reasonable to me. The ruling sent out a warning to the mainstream not to go too far off piste which has had a censorous impact on any discussion in the mainstream and some banning and shadow banning from YouTube etc. e.g. Peter Hitchens, a lockdown sceptic, on Triggernometry (you can find the episode but not easily).
     
  2. lindisfel

    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    What is the alternative strategy to trying to minimise virus affects on life and limit damage to the economy?

    Perhaps you guys instead of continuingly naysaying should publish your narrative and send it to the pm.
     
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  3. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I think Tim Harford tucked away on radio 4 can get away with it and I have enjoyed the weekly takedown of Matt Hancock's 10,000 tests nonsense too!
     
  4. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I think the PM and those around him know that the pandemic is over judging by their own personal behaviour. Boris appears to be having a leadership crisis and needs to go off to that Greek villa of his dad's and leave Mr Gove in charge imo!
    CoVid 19 - great movie, can't wait for the sequels (remember we are only developing a vaccine at record speed to tackle this version) so mass vaccination is NOT a good strategy.
    Since you have asked though I'd go with:
    1 Improving the metabolic health of the nation but Boris got the memo on that one. We can offer lots of tips on this forum!
    2 Encouraging excursions of one's larger limbs into the sunshine and some vitamin D supplementation in the absence of the sun.
    3 Shielding those who cannot do anything about being very old and metabolically unwell if they decide they do not want to go out into the world e.g. not shutting up infected people together then not allowing doctors in to treat them face to face.
     
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  5. Dusty911

    Dusty911 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes but that was 500 000 without lockdown. As it stands there have been in the region of 60 000 excess deaths with nowhere near the total population exposed. Estimates seem to coalesce around the 10%mark . If that was so then 500 000 looks plausible. Also if we look at 1% fatality which seems to be that most quoted than the SAGE figure again looks plausible
     
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  6. Dusty911

    Dusty911 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To be fair at the moment we just don't know what way this is going. The virus's infectivity rate at the moment does seem to have slowed. Is this down to lockdown measures we have taken ? Is it down to ones we are continuing to take, is there some immunological reason eg many more of us being immune without developing antibody immunity,is it some sort of natural life cycle activity of the virus .Will we have waves? Is all we can do is protect the vunerable as best we can till we have a vaccine? We just don't know but can we afford to gamble on natural immunity or a weakening virus? Time will tell and a cautious approach seems to be what most developed nations are taking. I guess I'm happy with that.
     
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  7. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    So far as I'm aware a 1% population fatality rate has not been seen in any country..?
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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  9. lindisfel

    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    Why dont your gurus ride out like the knights of old on chargers?
    Not quibbling at details, but tackling the real enemy of the people in this pandemic!

    Fighting for a good diet, tackling obesity and metabolic syndrome. That's a better way to fight the virus and improve survival rather than pretend it does not exist or to massage the facts.
    Btw there are not many pubs provide healthy food.
    D.
     
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  10. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I'm guessing that you aren't aware of Ivor's usual work then?

    How can someone applying logic and looking at data rationally be a "guru"?
     
  11. Dusty911

    Dusty911 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    As I said we just don't know yet. 60 000 X 100 equals 6 million is that correct? So if 6 million infected so far that's 1%ish fatality rate but if we've all already been infected and are immune that's about 0.1% but I'm not betting my life and the rest of my family on this virus being finished yet.
     
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  12. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Sorry didn't realise you were talking infection fatality rate.
    Looks like every other country in Europe is seeing far fewer infections and falling death rates. Not sure why we would be any different. I'd suggest watching the video I posted from Ivor.
     
  13. lindisfel

    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    I have his book!

    I think Aseem Malhotra had a more targeted line of argumentation.

    IMHO you actually are a turn off for Cummings trying to minimise the suffering the pandemic has caused.
     
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  14. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Really love this one.. short sweet and to the point

     
  15. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Tannith - You you have the paper/article defining disabled, please? I'm a little curious about something.
     
  16. Tannith

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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...t=144_9815420&CMP=TNLEmail_118918_9815420_144
    "The figures come from an analysis by the Office for National Statistics, which compared death certificates from March 2 to May 15 with data from the 2011 census.

    They found that 30.3 per cent of coronavirus deaths were among people who said their daily activities were “limited a lot” because of a health problem or disability, and 28.9 per cent among those whose activities were “limited a little”.

    There were 22,447 deaths across the two categories, both considered disabled."
     
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    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    There's very little detail there, and no real definition.

    Never mind.
     
  18. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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  19. Tannith

    Tannith · Well-Known Member

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    I imagine these definitions are made for the purposes of employment law. I have copd which puts me at far greater risk if I gotCovid, and is the cause off my being on the "extremely vulnerable" list. Howeve I have never thought of myself as a disabled person because of it. I also have Cyclical Vomiting Syndrome and on account of that I think I would describe myself as disabled, although it would make no difference whatever to my Covid risk.
     
  20. Lupf

    Lupf Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My two cents worth:
    This had to be expected. There are several death risks which have reduced during the pandemic, for example traffic accidents. One example is traffic. There were 1870 fatalities in 2019 so during the last 3 months could have been a few hundred less, but I don' t have numbers. An Israeli friend of mine claimed that Saddam Hussein's scud rockets fired into Israel saved lives as people stayed more at home. Anyone ever sitting in a car in Israel will understand this. Work deaths probably went down simply because many people couldn't work.
    This undershoot after the peak of the pandemic can be seen in other countries as well: France, Spain, Switzerland
    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1275512266306265098
     
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