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Cream causes more inflammation than glucose?

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Cocosilk, Nov 12, 2019.

  1. Cocosilk

    Cocosilk Gestational · Well-Known Member

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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Is this a US study? The feed and living conditions of the dairy herds, plus antibiotics, growth promotors, steroids etc, are different there, and could influence the results.
     
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  3. Cocosilk

    Cocosilk Gestational · Well-Known Member

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    Good point. I hope it's that. I love cream...
     
  4. JoKalsbeek

    JoKalsbeek Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I quit (cow) milk products because it triggered my reumatism. After going low carb though I can tolerate a bit of (cow) dairy, just not a lot or more than one thing per few days. There's something in cowmilk that looks a lot like something we produce ourselves, and it triggers an immune response. (Don't ask me what exactly, it escapes me right now). Since that has nowhere to go, because no immune response is actually required anywhere, it just attacks my joints. As for the study, they based it on a high fat, high carbodyhrate diet, so that's inflammatory carbs in the mix there too.

    I'm happy on low carb with goat's cheese, in any case. ;)
     
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  5. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I would think of more importance for many of us here is cream vs. persistent hyperinsulinemia, before we even get started on persistent hyperglycaemia. The real story isn't cream vs. glucose, but cream vs. constantly elevated glucose and insulin as a result of consuming too much glucose.
     
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    #5 Jim Lahey, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:22 PM
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  6. TriciaWs

    TriciaWs Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    My lipids and c-reaction results improved after going low carb - I drink less cows milk, but all full fat instead of skimmed, have double cream everyday instead of very occasionally, and eat more cheese.

    I've not noticed this triggers any extra symptoms from my allergic rhinitis, osteoarthritis or fibromyalgia, but some people react to dairy. And I mostly stick to organic milk and cream.
     
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  7. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Forgive me - I haven't read the article yet, but would say that many more people than realise it seem to have some degree of intolerance to dairy, or more often the lactose elements. I'm guessing for those there would likely be an improvement at least.

    Because of the package of autoimmune conditions spread across my family - past and present, my astonished (that I appear to have missed many AI bullets to date) Endo instructed I go gluten free, "as folks with AI in their lives do well that way" (paraphrased). He then went on to mutter under his breath about dairy. So far, I'm resisting that one, but if any of my swathe of antibody tests start shuffling towards concerning levels, it can go.

    Low carb, gluten and dairy free is quite a strict gig, in my view. Respec' to those who do it (I'm thinking @LooperCat , @Brunneria and a few others here).

    Edited to add, my last hsC-RP results, from September came in at 0.28, with a range <10, so for now, I'm not getting too twitchy.
     
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    #7 DCUKMod, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:13 PM
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    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    Thanks for the tag @DCUKMod

    I haven't managed to kick the dairy habit yet, although I can see it coming in a year or two.
    But Low Carb is an utter necessity, if I want to feel well.
    And Gluten Free is an utter necessity if I want to avoid constant pain from inflamed joints, with flakey bits of skin falling off all the time (psoriasis for several weeks after every glutening).

    As for C-Reactive Protein results, they have been high for years - while going low carb and going GF, then carnivore, none of which reduced the C-RP by significant amounts.

    Due for another test in the next few months, and it will be interesting to see if my current anti arthritis campaign (turmeric, glucosamine, chondroitin, bone broth, additional collagen and trying v hard not to annoy my joints doing things that make them hurt) will show a drop in C-RP. At the moment all I can say is that the pain is much reduced, and the joints are a lot less crunchy and poppy and grindy, which is a fab result so far.

    Oh, and different joints seem to react to different foods. Anyone else get a clear reaction in their thumbs from tomatoes? Bizarre, but very obvious. lol. Ah well, at least they don't prick (yet), as in by the pricking of my thumbs... ;)
     
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  9. LooperCat

    LooperCat Prefer not to say · Well-Known Member

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    I’m not gluten free - although I am cow-dairy & meat free, as well as keto. I eat a little goat/sheep cheese and butter, and make high protein savoury meat substitutes using vital wheat gluten, as it’s really low carb. I do mostly avoid eating grains though, although a little does me no harm as long as I dose appropriately for it. Liv-Life bread is one exception, as were the much missed Lidl Hi-Protein bread rolls :(
     
  10. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    For the most part I am also dairy free now. I eat some hard cheese but my understanding is that it has less/none of the potential issues of regular dairy. Something to do with the proteins being 'folded'. Not something I know a great deal about. I quit cream mainly because I quit coffee. My hs-CRP was already low beforehand, but I haven't had it measured since.
     
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    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Not exactly a huge study but interesting stuff :https://ketodietresults.com/blood-glucose-response-test-heavy-cream/
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I enjoy full fat milk and double cream in large quantities, with no reaction at all.
     
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  14. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That rings true with my own experience. I am/was able to glug back an entire pot of double cream with no glucose excursion at all.

    EDIT: for the avoidance of doubt my comment was not meant to imply that cream causes elevated glucose. Merely that constantly elevated glucose and insulin (for whatever reason) is a different story to simply comparing short term glucose to cream (with regard to inflammation).
     
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    #14 Jim Lahey, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:20 PM
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    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I don't doubt this, but how do you know if you don't self-test?
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Aren’t you digressing from the thread Jim. My post referred to inflammation.
     
  17. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Sure, ok. I didn't realise you were taking postprandial hs-CRP measurements. But I was just curious so yes let's move on :D
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Just to keep you straight. I don’t have any postprandial hs-CRP measurements but to reiterate my post, I enjoy cream and milk without any reaction.

    My wife on the other hand, is lactose intolerant. I have been encouraging her to take some goats cheese but so far her computer says no.
     
  19. JohnEGreen

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    Unless Jim is referring to a home C-Reactive Protein test.
    How do you know you have no reaction without testing?

    You can do a home C-Reactive Protein test you know other wise your statement is totally subjective.
     
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  20. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    And on reflection you are right. For some reason I connected your comment directly to glucose. Had I not done so, I would not have asked the question at all. Mea culpa :angelic:
     
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