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Defatizing info and links 800kcal diet

Discussion in 'Low Calorie Diets' started by bowell, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. minn

    minn · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that- it's done.
     
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    pixor · Active Member

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    I test every day, first thing in the morning. That means i can see if things went awry the previous day, and correct what I am doing. My diabetic nurse has recommended I carry out occasional postprandial testing (just before a meal, then 2 hours after) to see how my diabetic control is improving.

    I'd reccomend keeping a food and testing diary so that you can relate your readings to your food.

    Good luck!
     
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    bowell · Well-Known Member

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    Slim-fast is just fine with water I have been using it like that for 6 weeks now
    Remember if you are going to follow the study menu allows for NO DARIY PRODUCTS at all
    see:
    The diet
    http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/assets/documents/StudyRecipes.pdf

    Also all the Vit and Min are much the same as org Newcastle mix
    Plus the slim-fast only works out at 50p per meal
     
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    minn · Well-Known Member

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    I started today using slimfast and water- it's fine. My daughter's little battery whisk for hot chocolate helps whizz it up- I think someone else mentioned that in an earlier post.
     
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    Good luck with it Im starting mine soon
     
  6. Sweet enough

    Sweet enough · Well-Known Member

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    Hi I dont mean to be pedantic or anything but the study paper actually reads

    "..........individuals with type 2
    diabetes started the diet, which consisted of a liquid diet
    formula (46.4% carbohydrate, 32.5% protein and 20.1%
    fat; vitamins, minerals and trace elements; 2.1 MJ/day
    [510 kcal/day]; Optifast; Nestlé Nutrition, Croydon, UK).
    This was supplemented with three portions of non-starchy
    vegetables such that total energy intake was about 2.5 MJ
    (600 kcal)/day."
    So its actually around 90 to 100 of non starchy veg at about 510 from liquid diet.
    I'm sure as we're all different we could see the same results with slightly more or less calorie intake. If we are actually following teh Newcaastle experiment than I guess we should start with the same terms.

    Thanks for all the links. some good reading.
     
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    Sweet enough · Well-Known Member

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    Apologies- The 510cal + 100 Cal from veg came from the link given in the OP to

    http://www.diabetologia-journal.org/Lim.pdf

    Other links to official papers do indeed say 800cal *sigh Who do you believe in a case like that! I'm all for the extra 200c ;-)
     
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    ianpiper · Newbie

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    I have been doing this diet (without Optifast) for six weeks and it appears to be working really well. I have been recounting progress (and some menu tips) in my blog at http://skeyn.com/ - check it out if you are curious about it.

    Ian.
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    [email protected] · Newbie

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    I live in Canada and do not know where to buy optifast can anyone help me please? Is there another product that would work the same? Thank you. Reg
     
  10. borofergie

    borofergie Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that you can buy it online anywhere (other than at horrendous prices through ebay). They only sell it through registered clinics.

    We had a look through the ingredients of alternatives such as OptiSlim (from Lloyds Pharmacy), which are much cheaper, and came to the conclusion that they were more or less the same thing.

    (of course this is an extreme diet and you probably shouldn't do it without expert medical supervision, etc, etc).
     
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    viviennem Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I've bumped this because it has some very useful info and links for people who are considering or have just started a 'Newcastle Study' - type diet.

    Where has Bob got to? Anyone know? I miss him.

    Viv 8)
     
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    apple123 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I've just been reading this thread with interest as I'm already taking 2000mg Metformin and at my last six monthly check I was 9. From what I've seen on individual's threads they don't seem to have had an issue with this - but I did wonder about the sugar/carb content of slimfast.

    Carbohydrate (g) per 37.5g serving is 35g
    of which sugars (g) per 37.5g serving is 30g

    http://www.slimfast.co.uk/products/powd ... oductID=29

    Whereas Optislim is:

    22g of carbs per serving
    20g of sugar per serving

    http://www.optislim.com.au/how_it_works/faq.htm

    I don't know if I'm being too picky as this is all very new - but just thought I'd post this and see if anyone else has any thoughts on this. As I've only just started cutting down on carbs, I'm not sure what kind of carb content is necessary for health and what level to avoid going over - I'm just trying to go by what reduces my bg.
     
  13. Patch

    Patch Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Me too.
     
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    andrewk Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    One thing to bear in mind is that the carbs per serving figures include the carbohydrate in the 250ml skimmed milk, which contributes 12.5g. You might, as I have, replace the skimmed milk with unsweetened soya milk. I cannot taste the difference once the shakes are made up, but it saves you 12g of carbs per meal - 36g per day.

    A downside is that soya milk has a little less protein than skimmed cow's milk - about 3.5g per serving less (10.5g per day). You could, though, make that up in any number of ways, without exceeding the original calory budget. Tesco own brand meal replacement shakes have a total of 26.1g of carbs when made up with 250ml of skimmed milk or 14.1g if made with soya milk. Another option, maybe.

    Andrew
     
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    croco · Newbie

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    Do you really think that 800 kcal diet is healthy? All doctors say that diets (http://www.pissedconsumer.com/consumer-reviews/diets-training.html) are not healthy! Such small amount of energy will make body keep the fat instead of burning it.
     
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    It worked for me, and I had my GP's support, not right at the beginning, but I lost so much weight one week, I decided to tell him, and he made sure all was well for the duration of the diet. I would suggest anyone tries this to defat the internal organs and help the pancreas, but would be more wary if people used it purely for weight loss.
     
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    jimmyr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    This is so very old now but as a new user of this Diet i would like to say something about the above.
    I really do not care what the Doctors say, after all they have to keep the Big Pharmaceuticals running, making millions of pounds each year, now come on you lot why would the Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies want to bite the hand that feeds it, how do you think People managed through illness's before these Pharmaceutics companies came about, they lived off of Real foods, not processed foods.
    My blood sugars before going onto this diet were very high, i really do not know how i survived, always in double figures, always changing pills, changing Insulin, But this evening before bed they are 7.2, not been this low since i was diagnosed years ago.
    I say become responsible for you, or at least try to regain, your independence after all it is "Your Life".

    Jim
     
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    Yorksman Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I asked my GP about it when I was diagnosed and he sneered "who's going to do that?"

    Well, quite a few apparantly. The following month he was forced to take early retirement. "The line is", one of the practice GPs told me, "it is due to stress".

    Some people just don't want to change whilst others embrace it. "Some people become mentally fossilised", was my response. The GP concerned had been in the same practice his entire working life. I first met him in 1983. We used to call it 'stuck in a rut'.
     
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    jimmyr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Yorksman, yep i was mentally Fossilized lol, i found it hard to get my head round anything, so much confusion in the head when blood sugars are to high, and i was there 24/7, no fun, just horrible, but just four days eating better my head feels clear, i feel happier, maybe Placebo effect but Hay Ho i don't care, it is me, i feel younger " would like to say i feel slimmer" but to early for that one.
    If i go to my docs appointment and they try to stop me, then i will carry on, i have not felt like this for years and yes after four days.

    Jim
     
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