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Diabetes Uk dietary advice

I've just checked again for my starting weight diet (I've lost 60lb since).

I got Menu E - even more food, 4 slices of bread at lunch time, and not a vegetable in sight at that meal. For a morbidly obese woman who's trying to lose weight?

This is what they recommend for a snack on Menu E - they don't say how many snacks a day on the menu, but maybe that's elsewhere.

The over-eating me could say - Great! I can snack on 2 bananas with 2 shortbread biscuits :shock: I'm supposed to lose weight on this? never mind the diabetes!

Words fail me - or at least, words that aren't actionable!.

Viv 8)
 

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I just entered my data on the site and it came back with "sorry,no menu available" Oh well...
 
Paul1976 said:
I just entered my data on the site and it came back with "sorry,no menu available" Oh well...

Already told you. Just sit round your firepit and chew raw meat! Preferably something you clubbed to death a few hours earlier!
REAL man!
(Apologies to any vegetarians, only joking!)
 
:lol: I always ask for my steak to be "Passed through a warm room" when I'm asked how I want it-Does that count?
 
I got exactly the same as most of you but they don't define the portion sizes very well. It's recommended I eat six tablespoons of rice. 6 rounded? heaped? level? Are my tablespoons the same size as theirs?

I can clearly see that this diet MAY be far better than the diet some people are eating but they are not taking into account the people, such as myself, who have a sort of addiction to food. I could no more stop at one biscuit than I could at one packet of biscuits. If I could control the amount of food I consume, I wouldn't have been fat in the first place. I still find myself contemplating that now albeit on my less than 30g a day. For example, I have a few packs of carb and calorie free noodles and it is easy to turn it into a sort of very nice rice pudding with cream, butter and sweetener. Can I make it last four days? No, I can't. I scoff the whole lot so I try to save it for those times of the month when I'm not hungry, I'm hormonal. Still, considering it used to be a family pack of crisps and ice cream and chocolate, it's still far better. I'm thankful that feeling is very rare these days. By not eating carbs, I can control both my portion size and type of carbs I eat.

Hunger and cravings are a fine line.

wiflib
 
Paul1976 said:
:lol: I always ask for my steak to be "Passed through a warm room" when I'm asked how I want it-Does that count?

Well, it nearly counts. But as true Paleo man, you shouldn't be ASKING for your steak, but DEMANDING it!
"Just pull out it's horns, wipe it's xxxx, and stick it on the plate!"
 


You know what Sid, I have had a few things aimed at me recently, uncalled for untruths and assumptions. I didn't bring any of that onto this thread, wanted to hear what people thought primarily about the amounts recommended (thanks for the weighing Phoenix, that helps me have a closer look) and that is what I have got. It helps me to clarify in my own mind that what I am doing is working for me.
Thanks for contributing.
 
It's recommended I eat six tablespoons of rice. 6 rounded? heaped? level? Are my tablespoons the same size as theirs
agree on that, that's why I had to look for the weight.
http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/healt ... rtion-size
I suppose many people don't have scales. One of the diet companies produces portion pots. I think they would be useful on this type of diet.

You're right that any diet must take into account individuality.
I'm the opposite to you. I used to eat Christmas chocs and Easter eggs a little bit a day so that they would last longer, they could last for months... bit like saving the cherry 'til last.
I don't like to eat a lot of one thing., I used to give up with large portions of pasta, got bored with them. I love lot's of tastes and have overeaten by eating lots of different things. I loved the buffets at Summer balls and we quite often used to buy more Chinese dishes than we needed because we wanted lots of things. Being a child of the fifties I then didn't like to waste any.
 
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phoenix said:
Has anyone else actually calculated the carb content?

Yes I have using ingredients that most people would buy from say Tesco or Asda. Here's what I worked it out to be using the carb info found off this site http://fatsecret.com

Small glass of fruit juice or a portion of fruit - say 250ml of orange juice = 27.25g
2 x Weetabix = 24.8g
Semi Skimmed Milk 200ml 12g

Lunch

2 Slices Tesco Wholemeal Bread 35.6g
Muller Light Fat Free Strawberry low fat yogurt 14.2g
Assume meat based sandwich filling so 0g

4 Tablespoons easy cook rice say 125g (2oz cooked) = 49.2g
250g Asda Frozen Mixed Veg = 24.1
Assume meat based 0g
but lets say you're making up a curry and pick a low carb sauce like Pataks quarter of a pot is 10g

Banana for pudding 27g

Extra 200ml milk 12g

Snacks 1 Milk Chocolate Digestive 10.8g

TOTAL 246.95

Just a little bit different don't you think. As I said it's stuffed full of sugar and carbohydrate at the level recommended by our infamous HCLF UK diet. It is appalling. It blinds, cripples and kills people.
 
:shock: 6 times my current intake!! I'd be spending half my time asleep and weeing all night on that diet!! I'm never high carbing again!
 
Paul1976 said:
6 times my current intake

Yes, quite shocking isn't it. It's nothing like the Swedes recommend however much you try and look at it and saying so does no one any good. Paul I hope you don't mind but I'll remind you what a leading Swedish low carb specialist doctor would recommend.

http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in

Now if the UK diet did amount to a 150g recommendation then by plain simple logic it must be a low carb high fat regime (LCHF) because eating way over your protein RDA is probably not that advisable. So those who reduce their carbs even when they claim otherwise and even though they may deny it must be doing LCHF. There is no such thing as a Low Carb Low Fat Low Protein regime. When we eat stuff that stuff is either carbs, protien or fat. Those combine to give our daily totals. If you keep the same daily total and lower say your carbs you MUST be upping either your fat or your protien (or both). To deny it is like being a member of the "Flat Earth" society or still believing the earth is the centre of the universe or other crazy extreme views.

Anyway to me what gives away the fact the DUK diet is not LCHF is its nothing like I eat on my LCHF diet. Simples.
 
Yes - the only one I could get was Menu E (for a 60+ 13stone Male).

I just put it into cron-o-meter:
3000 kcal
300g carbs
130g fat*
130g protein

*30g PUFA, with a 10:1 Omega6 to Omega3 ratio (yikes)

44% Carbohydrate : 40% Fat : 16% Protein

You can see my workings here:
http://i.imm.io/qFrw.png

God only knows what they'd prescribe for a 40 year old active 250lb Male...
 
Just had a look through Dr Dahlqvist's blog and the foods she recommends to replace carbs at meals are the foods I currently eat so I'm very much LCHF in my approach,to me, a low carb,low fat,low calorie diet is a starvation diet that I couldn't exist on and have the energy levels compatable with my lifestyle.I'm due my next lot of blood results in about 4 weeks but I'm confident I will not have suffered any adverse effects on my health,if anything I feel better than I have in years.
 
I tried to get a menu, but it said it had no advice for me. I then selected 'Yes' to "are you trying to lose weight" and it told me to eat a load of stuff that I feel sure would make me fatter. Strange.
 
Conclusion:

The only way that you could get <150g of carbohydrate on these diets is to eat ess than 1300 kcal which is way too little for most people.

By the time you get to menu E the snacks alone are 2 bits of fruit, 2 biscuits, and a slice of cake, so it's not surprising that the carb count tops 300g.
 
xyzz
I've gone over the figures lot's of times so I'm many posts behind

I don't particularly like the diet but you are adding on a few extra carbs .
You are also doing what many might do making an estimate of portion size which is often larger than the 'official' size. On any diet (whatever it is) DUK should make that clearer. It makes a difference.
They are clearer here http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-dia ... lled_plan/
and they match up with the ones from the BUPA site which I used.

A small glass of orange juice is considered 150ml, so 16.5g for your brand
200 ml milk has 9,6g,
a serving of veg is officially 3 tbs 80g , so 6x = 160g using your choice that would be 13.8g
the selection you chose includes carrots, peas and sweetcorn, all relatively high in carbs. Personally those are the three I almost never eat but agree that others might,
rice: 4 tablespoon is 50g is 38g carb (works out more than the aprox 15g of all the other starches)
An average banana has 21g carbs (other fruits tend to be lower)
so using portions sizes as cited above and your choices
Breakfast:
orange juice 16.5
Weetabicx 24.8
Milk 9.6
= 50.9 (your menu included 1 more weetabix than mine)
Lunch
35.6 +14.2
= 49.8 (your figures, I included salad veggies , )
Dinner
rice 38 (I agree that the rice is higher than the pasta I worked out)
veggies 13.8 ( 160g of the Asda mix)
=51.8
milk 9.6
Banana =21
This is 183 g carb

No choc biscuit on mine,

I haven't added in the carbs from the sauce as this isn't part of their diet. You are normally told to avoid these made sauces and use herbs/spices to season.
 

Not for me if I don't exercise!
DId you know in the 1970s the average calorie intake for women of all ages in the US was a bit over 1500 calories. After menopause the amount needed sadly goes down.
For men it was about 2400
(I'm not looking up the UK figures but I doubt they are dissimilar and I saw this earlier in the week)
http://rdfeinman.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 2inset.jpg
Stephen
I like your calorie calculator.
I did mine by 'hand'
It's reassuring to know I wasn't far out in my calculations
 
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