Right well as this thread appears to be aimed at me for some reason let me first clear a few things up.
I wasn't "aiming" anything at you Sid, you were the only person who uses portion control that I could think of at the time. Due to this, I assumed that you would have the best knowledge of portion sizes and wondered what everyone thought f this recommened diet, I was especially interested to hear your input and if you yourself would eat anything near this amount as it seemed excessive to me. This is my reason and to be honest, I think you have been unnecessarily sharp in your wording..I thought I had made it very clear as to why I had thought of you.
[/color]I am not and never have been a DUK fan boy I do think that they do a pretty good job with funding important research though, I have nothing against them as such but I am no fan either.[/color
I don't know enough about them to go either way, as a charity I am assuming they are doing some extremely important research but think they are giving out totally the wrong message regarding diet..reinforced by what I saw at the South London event day which I chose not to mention here previously because I thought the other info I feedback was of more importance.
Looking at their meal suggestions, for me they recommended 6 tbls of cereal which I have just weighed out in cornflakes and it came to 24g, my usual allowance would be 16 -18g which turned out to be 4 tbls so not a million miles away and if I did eat the other 6g I doubt it would have been a problem. Lunch seemed a different matter though as the suggestion was a 4 slice sandwich or two bread rolls which I would never even contemplate, it was two rolls a day with crisps for lunch which helped me put the weight on in the first place so that seems absurd to me, I didnt bother looking any further so cant comment on diner.
This is the kind of information I was hoping for, thank you.
As I have mentioned in past threads I would imagine they base their meal plans and diabetic help on 'best practice' which at present is to achieve the NICE recommendations which many sadly dont achieve, how they recommend you achieve that is by any combination of diet, exercise and meds, here is where the problem seems to lay. Many low carbers seem to think taking meds is an admission of failure or falling into the 'Big Pharmas' trap of keeping us all on meds. I do not subscribe to these conspiracy theories and for that reason seem to get singled out for ridicule, the truth of the matter is that if you can achieve the NICE recommendations or get under them you will increase your chances of a long and healthy life, how you do that is largely irrelevant and up to the individual.
Don't agree on this one Sid, I am not a low carber as you know, I eat less than before diagnosis but that is it, I don't measure gms. I have noticed that some of the kinown low carbers on the forum are not in the least anti-meds and many actually advocate metformin and whatever med is deemed necessary.
I just cannot see that these suggested meal plans can be seen as best practice and to be honest, I would be amazed if anyone eating this lot (or very similar) every day could stay within the NICE recommendations. if this is the "control" that is alluded to, the NICE figures, I would like to see some evidence that this suggested diet (or very similar) would do the job.
So is the DUK diet advice wrong, well its not what I chose to eat but if those meals add up in calories to a diet that will not increase weight then whos to say that diet is wrong even if it requires some medication to achieve it, we must remember that this advice is given to all diabetics not just the ones like us who are actively managing their condition. Not everyone is anti meds, some meds can be a little hard to take sometimes but there are often alternatives available if one is unable to tolerate one particular drug, as in the case of metformin and statins. At the end of the day it is an individual call whether to take medication or not. If the DUK advice was to low carb I would guess that less people would stick to it than are sticking with their current advice, low carbing is NOT for everyone despite what some believe.
I don't low carb and am happy with my bg's. My point was not about low carbing and my thread wasn't about that, it is about the diet that is recommended for optimum health. I think that the diet is far too focused on calories and the assumption that is what the problem is.
Many people here chose to low carb, I have no problem with that and in fact low carb myself. My personal view is that I do not want to increase my sat fat as current medical consensus says that I should not, if others chose to ignore that advice and chose a ketogenic diet that requires an increase in fats that is their choice but why do they always seem to feel the need to justify their choice all the time and insist I read this book or watch that video, most of which I have to say turn out to be perpetuating the myth that 'Big Pharma' are out to get us, I conspiracy theory I dont adhere to.
My life is liveable due to Big Pharma so I don't get into the whole shebang about that. Again, not the purpose of my thread Sid.
Now I hope I have made my position crystal clear and perhaps everyone can stop assuming that I am some strange alien diabetic who is alone in using portion control, anyone on any diet controls their portions by definition even those few who believe that by eating no or few carbs you can eat as much as you like, because calories are irrelevant.
Uncalled for Sid, I never said anything of the sort. I have explained why I mentioned you so won't go into that again. I value your input on here and always have but will make sure not to bring you into any other posts that I make.
I do hope this thread isnt going to turn out to be another ass kicking competition aimed at me :yawn:
