Diagnosed Type 2 last week..confused

Shakbrom

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi all, newbie here

Was diagnosed t2 last Thursday after 2 fasting tests in the previous months, but confused as the doc sent me on my way (no meds) with the instructions to lose half a stone in weight, get some execise and cut down on all the usual junk (chocs/sugar etc) and have another Blood test in May and we'll see how you have improved??

I did ask what the results of the previous tests were but was in such a state of shock I didnt query how high on the scale they were, I do vaguely recall him saying the first test was 60-something and the second test came back as 52?? but as mentioned my head was all over the place thinking the worst to fully take in what he was saying,

Im a 42 years old male, 6ft 2 in and weigh 88kgs

My main question is why wasn't I offered any medication? and why the 5 months wait for another test?

I have found many great health and food tips already from this site, its great, thanks for taking the time to read this.

Shak
 

Bluetit1802

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Hi all, newbie here

Was diagnosed t2 last Thursday after 2 fasting tests in the previous months, but confused as the doc sent me on my way (no meds) with the instructions to lose half a stone in weight, get some execise and cut down on all the usual junk (chocs/sugar etc) and have another Blood test in May and we'll see how you have improved??

I did ask what the results of the previous tests were but was in such a state of shock I didnt query how high on the scale they were, I do vaguely recall him saying the first test was 60-something and the second test came back as 52?? but as mentioned my head was all over the place thinking the worst to fully take in what he was saying,

Im a 42 years old male, 6ft 2 in and weigh 88kgs

My main question is why wasn't I offered any medication? and why the 5 months wait for another test?

I have found many great health and food tips already from this site, its great, thanks for taking the time to read this.

Shak

Not everyone needs medication. I have never had any and I was diagnosed 4 years ago. I do my very best to keep it that way!

I suggest you contact your surgery and ask for print outs of the two tests you had. You really need to know which tests you had and what the figures were. It isn't just blood glucose that matters, it is also cholesterol, liver and kidney functions. They are all important for diabetics.

I am assuming you are in the UK but you haven't said. What has gone wrong with your care is you should have been having a blood test every 3 months, and should have been given your diagnosis after the first test if it really was 60 something as that is clearly in the diabetes range. You should also be referred to a nurse who should take responsibility for your care, which should include an annual foot check and a referral for retinal eye screening, plus a referral to a Type 2 diabetes education course.

For now, I advise you to get those screen prints, and make sure you are on the diabetes register at your surgery. Then read round the forum and ask all the questions you like.
 

Shakbrom

Member
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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Not everyone needs medication. I have never had any and I was diagnosed 4 years ago. I do my very best to keep it that way!

I suggest you contact your surgery and ask for print outs of the two tests you had. You really need to know which tests you had and what the figures were. It isn't just blood glucose that matters, it is also cholesterol, liver and kidney functions. They are all important for diabetics.

I am assuming you are in the UK but you haven't said. What has gone wrong with your care is you should have been having a blood test every 3 months, and should have been given your diagnosis after the first test if it really was 60 something as that is clearly in the diabetes range. You should also be referred to a nurse who should take responsibility for your care, which should include an annual foot check and a referral for retinal eye screening, plus a referral to a Type 2 diabetes education course.

For now, I advise you to get those screen prints, and make sure you are on the diabetes register at your surgery. Then read round the forum and ask all the questions you like.
 

Shakbrom

Member
Messages
5
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi , and thanks for the reply,

Im in the UK, and the tests came after i'd been for my 'M.O.T' , cholestral/Blood Pressure etc all fine, it also stated at the bottom of the 'M.O.T' sheet ..Risk of Heart disease in the next 10 years 1.7% and Risk of Diabetes in next 10 years 1.4% ?? Then at the end of the M.O.T i was given a finger prick test that I was told was high , this is when I was told to have the hbA1c blood tests (the results mentioned in opening post)

I have took it as the Doc thinks I can manage this myself with some lifestyle changes hence no meds, and im determined to keep it that way.
 

ringi

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Removing all food/drink with added sugar, and any food that contains more than 5g per meal of natural sugar is always a good first step in getting Type2 under control. @daisy1 will give you a rundown of basic information, ask any questions you want, as this forum is full of people who have overcome diabetes.
 

Shakbrom

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Many thanks, sorry if reply's seem a bit rushed as I was between the usual 'Dads Taxi' jobs.

Using an online app I found I was eating over 400g of Carbs a day, which disgusted me, I have so far cut to approx 150-170g but im still just finding my way regards what foods are good and bad for me, and have joined the gym where my friend happens to be an instructor.

I shall continue reading the forum and taking advice on board. After my initial self-pity I have decided diabetes is going to be the making of a fitter,healthier me and not the death of me.

Thanks
 

lucylocket61

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Be aware that there is a fee of £29.99 for joining the low carb programme @NewTD2 has mentioned. The fee request is not visible until you have registered by putting in your email and name and a password and clicked to go to the next page.
 
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NewTD2

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Be aware that there is a fee of £29.99 for joining the low carb programme @NewTD2 has mentioned. The fee request is not visible until you have registered by putting in your email and name and a password and clicked to go to the next page.

Yes, the fee is actually one off.

However there are tons of websites out there about low carb that you don’t have to pay!
 

Resurgam

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To be honest - being diagnosed with diabetes has given me a whole new lease of life - I didn't exactly tell the nurse where the doctor could put his cholesterol lowering low fat high carb diet - but I think that she got some idea of what I was thinking by the time I got to the effects of the Metformin and statin which had been prescribed.
I am just about over the indignation now after a tablet free year and a 40lb drop in weight.
The low carb program does, I think rather labour the point - I mean - low carb - big clue as to what it's all about there.
 
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Alexandra100

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Be aware that there is a fee of £29.99 for joining the low carb programme @NewTD2 has mentioned. The fee request is not visible until you have registered by putting in your email and name and a password and clicked to go to the next page.
IMO if Diabetes.co.uk is so hard up they now have to charge for this programme, the least they could do is offer free startup/taster sessions so people can get an idea whether this is for them, before perhaps wasting their money. This is what all reputable gyms and most coaches / trainers do. For less than £29.99 one could buy Dr Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution" AND Jenny Ruhl's "Your Diabetes Questions Answered" and still have a little change. I wouldn't suggest a person new to all this buy Dr B's book straight away as it can seem a bit over-whelming, but JR is very beginner-friendly. Just saying!
 

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@Shakbrom

Hello Shak and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and interesting. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.



BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Shakbrom

Member
Messages
5
Type of diabetes
Type 2
@Shakbrom

Hello Shak and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and interesting. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.



BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Thanks daisy1