Whilst looking for masks online I stumbled across this interesting bit of information on the entuk.org website. Basically in a nutshell it suggests whilst exhalation valves on a mask will make it more comfortable for the user it presents a risk to patients (in this report) due to possible Covid particles being exhaled "if" the user has infection. Not sure if these types of masks filter the air "in" but it seems they certainly don't filter the air "out".
We would recommend that clinicians should not use a FFP3 mask with exhalation valve when undertaking any close patient interaction. If your only available FFP3 mask has an exhalation valve, you should consider using a surgical mask to cover it to protect the patient as well as the extending the masks use. An unvalved FFP3 mask would be better.
Anyone have any suggestions for decent mask/visor combinations you are using for glasses wearers? So many options online like ties that go around the ears to tie ups behind the head, valved/unvalved as per above, etc etc?
I'm going to need quite a few for Autumn term and ideally reusable or fairly cheap disposable. If you were for instance to go down the FFP2 or 3 route they are really expensive, although I believe the public are advised not to buy those, even if you can find them, so the medical fraternity have enough to go around. Surprisingly there seem to be so many options online and it's not like you can go into a shop and try a few like you would do shoes!!!
Why cant we be like the Scots? A none ambiguous leader and almost 100% take up of mask usage in last two weeks.The full Government guide to masks, when to wear them, how to make them, list if exemptions and exemption cards is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
Just a thought, if you're making masks, you could also make a washable bag for them to go into, everything then goes in the machine, and we don't have extra plastic floating around. Should be reasonably simple to sew(I'm a beginner and could manage that).
DCUKMod - The closest I have ever got to sewing was admiring my mum donkeys years ago turning up my school trousers with her wonderful old metal Singer sewing machine! Wonderful looking machine but I wouldn't have a clue, not sure most blokes have!!
Maybe I should go Wild West style with a large handkerchief folded over into a triangle and couple it with a
Stetson and spurs! That would go down well with the kids at school I reckon!
l'll have another look online for the reusables. Good point about having at least three a day as I'll be there from 8 till 4. Think I read somewhere that apart from washing the things you can put them in the microwave to clean them. I might be thinking of something entirely different of course!
@Max68 in addition to DCUKMod’s suggestion, I have a pack of these which were recommended by someone else on here (@Bluetit1802). So far largely unused but they are well-made. https://elle.co.uk/products/protective-mask-5-pack-washable There is no noseclip if that is important.
Pretty sure I’ve seen Gap selling them too.
Hi BrunneriaPlease define ‘normal’.
My personal experience differs significantly from your description.
I am sitting here, comfortably at rest, breathing in and out through my nose.
When active, with heavier demands from muscles, or under stress, I switch to mouth breathing, since I have a diddy little ski jump nose and fairly narrow nasal passages.
When asleep I may breathe through nose or mouth, depending on position, dream state and booze quotient.
I consider all of those things ‘normal’.
So you are deliberately choosing to flout a law (unenforceable I agree) - not a request or suggestion or a guideline - and potentially expose others to your Pre/asymptomatic covid. Do you break other laws designed to protect other people’s health and well being because you don’t much like or agree with them?https://teespring.com/sheep-mask-bl...cial-carl-vernon&pid=377&cid=100069&sid=front
For any mask sceptics out there.
i have gone to a shop without my mask and not been stoned or confronted. I will comply if asked by a shop worker as I don't want to make their life difficult but it will be an alternative version.
Btw thanks Diabetes.co.uk for at least permitting some discussion of these issues unlike Diabetes UK!
So you are deliberately choosing to flout a law (unenforceable I agree) - not a request or suggestion or a guideline - and potentially expose others to your Pre/asymptomatic covid. Do you break other laws designed to protect other people’s health and well being because you don’t much like or agree with them?
For the life of me I genuinely cannot understand why people won’t comply even when sceptical about the effectiveness, just what will it cost you? Very little in reality and it will provide a lot of reassurance at the very least to many you will be near and potentially a whole lot more real protection should you have covid . Makes me think of the anti vaxers. Obviously different if there is an actual medical reason (physical or mental) as opposed to bloody mindedness.
Hardly fair to put some poorly paid shop assistant, who’s probably scared of being punched or stabbed if they confront flouters, in the position of having to remind you to do what you already know you legally are required to do.
Even Mr Hsss, who fundamentally agrees with your stance on masks in theory, is complying if he must go into a shop. Hope I don’t bump into you in the supermarket.
Sorry this whole selfish attitude just makes me so....
For the life of me I genuinely cannot understand why people won’t comply
We’ve seen enough cases of police, HCPs, bus and train staff dying after being spat on by infected people,
I think we really need to see some evidence of that .... don't you?
My personal view.. which will likely not be popular!
There is little to no "science" that they are effective .
The govt and govt "scientists" have been saying that mask wearing does little to protect anyone until a week or so ago as have the WHO.
The mandatory nature of the requirement rather than a strong recommendation smacks of authoritarianism.
It has polarised the public once again into pro and anti mask groups and created exactly the kind of statements that you have made above, sadly.
My own particular area has had an infection rate of 0.322% of the population over the entire period and I'm highly unlikely to be either infected or to meet anyone else who is. So who am I protecting?
Where does it end?
If the govt next decided you need to wear a burka when outside walking the dog will you still comply?
Edit to add .. the completely arbitrary nature of the 24th July being chosen.. how about 24th March .. might have been more effective.
Happy to oblige. The main example is a transport worker Belly Mujinga. Her story was all over the news for weeks. I am surprised you missed it. The widespread coverage has entered the public awareness. 30? 40? news stories within a few days, flooding the public perception. The fact her attacker was never prosecuted became irrelevant. The threat is there. Why would any shop worker want to run the risk of being assaulted, let alone assaulted by someone who may pass on COVID-19, no matter how small the risk?
And I have included a few of the numerous stories of police, shop assistants, HCPs, taxi, train, bus workers, etc. who have been subject to assault, verbal or physical, being spat on, where covid was used as part of the threat. I wonder how many more we will see over masks?
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/ne...ers-spat-coughed-bitten-coronavirus-outbreak/
No mention of anyone being infected due to being spat at.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...belle-dies-spat-covid19-royal-london-hospital
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/named-shamed-thugs-who-spat-18225768
enough cases of police, HCPs, bus and train staff dying after being spat on by infected people
It’s people imposing their views and their risk behaviour on me without my consent against the current law
You are required to obey the law or face £100 fine.If shop staff are in such danger why might it be that they are not required by law to mask-up? Honest question, as it doesn't make sense to me. Moreover, if it's true that masks primarily stop you from passing the virus onto others, why is it ok for potentially contagious shop staff to cough all over my food before I buy it and take it home?
Only a little. You being made to wear a face covering might annoy you but won’t kill you. It’s not exposing you to risk. You failing to wear a covering might kill me. Not quite the same thing.Don't you find that kind of ironic?
No idea. You are quite right they should wear coverings. Another problem with the government policy.If shop staff are in such danger why might it be that they are not required by law to mask-up? Honest question, as it doesn't make sense to me. Moreover, if it's true that masks primarily stop you from passing the virus onto others, why is it ok for potentially contagious shop staff to cough all over my food before I buy it and take it home?
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