Does MEAT cause INFLAMMATION??

[Cocosilk]

I see many of us arguing about this question after having read one article or another. I see people complaining that the opinions being posted are not based on scientific evidence and are just anecdotes or baseless propaganda.

I wondered if we can start a thread and gather evidence to prove or disprove the claim that "Meat causes inflammation."

To take part in the thread, we should quote only what we can find from scientific studies, and include a reference and link to the study.

I googled "Meat Causes Inflammation" and this was the first article that came up:

https://nutritionfacts.org/2012/09/20/why-meat-causes-inflammation/

Can we pick this to pieces as a start?

 

[xfieldok]

Author promotes plant based diet. Nuff said.

 

[bulkbiker]

It's from Greger.. he promotes misleading information daily.

There will be no scientific studies that prove meat "causes" inflammation.

For 2 reasons

1. Scientific studies will never claim causality if conducted properly because they don't lock multiple clones of people up in a room for life and feed them one specific food type so will always rely on "association" and be full of 'maybes' and 'mights'

2. It doesn't.

 

[Geordie_P]

There may be evidence out there, but Dr Greger is primarily a vegan activist, and his science is very much subordinate to his rhetoric and moral stance. I see the link above proudly trumpets his appearance on 'Dr. Oz'. That more or less lets you know the level you're dealing with: Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, Dr Greger- basically these people are to medicine what Jeremy Kyle is to counseling.

 

[Cocosilk]

Does this article answer the question well?

https://chriskresser.com/does-red-meat-cause-inflammation/

 

[bulkbiker]

Does this article answer the question well?

https://chriskresser.com/does-red-meat-cause-inflammation/

I'll refer you back to my answer number 1

 

[JohnEGreen]

I see many of us arguing about this question after having read one article or another. I see people complaining that the opinions being posted are not based on scientific evidence and are just anecdotes or baseless propaganda.

I wondered if we can start a thread and gather evidence to prove or disprove the claim that "Meat causes inflammation."

To take part in the thread, we should quote only what we can find from scientific studies, and include a reference and link to the study.

I googled "Meat Causes Inflammation" and this was the first article that came up:

https://nutritionfacts.org/2012/09/20/why-meat-causes-inflammation/

Can we pick this to pieces as a start?

No because there are just references to the authors self promoting blogs and no references to any peer reviewed papers or studies that I could see.

 

[Deleted member 475901]

A somewhat better analysis, although all studies are flawed because it is not ethical or practical to set up humans in proper study groups.

https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/3/Supplement_1/nzz028.OR22-08-19/5516820

also consider the Inuit traditional diet - which confounds most modern theories of nutrition.

 

[Cocosilk]

I'll refer you back to my answer number 1

I'll refer you back to my answer number 1

This is a waste of time in other words?

Back to square one then...

 

[Member496333]

No.

 

[bulkbiker]

This is a waste of time in other words?
...

Looking for a definitive answer to your question is a waste of time yes.

 

[Mbaker]

If it does, the carnivores and carnivore'ish on this site are aliens; as when we measure HS-CRP it tends to be below 1, e.g. mine 0.3. Other subjective markers are a lack of puffy-ness / bloating.

I know Shawn Baker references a study that shows meat causes the least amount of distress. Objectively, if a people think about what is associated with IBS from a food perspective, I have never heard meat mentioned, it tends to be plants, fruit, nuts and sometimes diary.

 

[Cocosilk]

If it does, the carnivores and carnivore'ish on this site are aliens; as when we measure HS-CRP it tends to be below 1, e.g. mine 0.3. Other subjective markers are a lack of puffy-ness / bloating.

I know Shawn Baker references a study that shows meat causes the least amount of distress. Objectively, if a people think about what is associated with IBS from a food perspective, I have never heard meat mentioned, it tends to be plants, fruit, nuts and sometimes diary.

I mistakenly blamed more meat in my diet for constipation when I started eating more when I met my now husband (he's a big meat eater) but I know now it was the combination (I was eating a lot of carbs then too). Meat alone isn't the problem. And bloating distinctly happens with grains and crucifus vegetables and legumes for me, among othert things. Heartburn is usually from grains but sometimes from too much fat (probably in combination with some carbs).

 

[Cocosilk]

Tick bites can cause you to have a meat allergy... weird
https://allergyfacts.org.au/allergy-anaphylaxis/food-allergens/mammalian-meat-allergy

 

[bulkbiker]

Tick bites can cause you to have a meat allergy... weird
https://allergyfacts.org.au/allergy-anaphylaxis/food-allergens/mammalian-meat-allergy

I thought that tick was only in the USA.. at least I had hoped so!

Edit to add Nooooooooooo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-gal_allergy

 

[Cocosilk]

I thought that tick was only in the USA.. at least I had hoped so!

Edit to add Nooooooooooo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-gal_allergy

Well, you could always move from carnivore to cannibal

Just go for the wild caught ones rather than the farmed grain-fed ones...

 

[JohnEGreen]

Well, you could always move from carnivore to cannibal

The problem is the person you are eating may be a vegan then you would have a carnivore vegan diet.

 

[Resurgam]

If I had 'inflammation' - just to go back to square one - how would I know? It seems such a vague thing that the susceptible to suggestion might believe they had it.

 

[Mbaker]

I mistakenly blamed more meat in my diet for constipation when I started eating more when I met my now husband (he's a big meat eater) but I know now it was the combination (I was eating a lot of carbs then too). Meat alone isn't the problem. And bloating distinctly happens with grains and crucifus vegetables and legumes for me, among othert things. Heartburn is usually from grains but sometimes from too much fat (probably in combination with some carbs).

Sounds about right to me, when other foods, or food like items are removed meat digests well and provides positive health outcomes. When those of a differing opinion cite epidemiology numbers (which never meet scientific thresholds) they always blame meat, despite flour, grains, ultra processed items and the like being on the plate. They have a choice to review what the thumping majority of reversed Type 2's do, i.e. preference animal fats and meats, with less fruit and veg and view the results.

It is really interesting to me that many kids have to be cagoled into eating vegetables (the air plane trick, remember that). I have never heard of a toddler refusing meat (although later under of the influence of "bambi" type cartoon movies and similar, there can be physiological change, maybe leading to trying alternative eating habits).

 

[Lamont D]

Sorry, no corroboration, but having read many papers and articles in my pursuit of the truth surrounding RH. And why any carbs are a problem, I have read that the main cause of inflammation, but not the only one, is grains.
Including one that the worst is a maize based diet.
The other major factor in inflammation is vegetable based oils that are prevalent in foods produced in a factory. The likes of Palm oil, rape seed oil even sunflower oils can be ascribed to be a cause in not only inflammation but other metabolic conditions.

Keep safe