Susiespearish
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Thanks Lucy .Bloods still looking good and grabbed a huge beef bone at the butchers to make beef broth .All soup recipes welcome .I make at least three a week
Veggie soup is really good. Know what you want to do with the fasting, don't go silly with it, note down what you're doing and results, but it may be good. Good luck Susie girl but be sensible.
Green veg in soup form is amazing. Or not in soup form! But I'll pm you an amazing soup.
Good luck girl x
"While people who have diabetes are often heavy, one out of five people diagnosed with diabetes are thin or normal weight"
"I think the truth is that as yet no one really knows what causes it as there does not seem to be any common factor in everyone that has it that they can pinpoint."
People focus on the cause and hope that by doing so they will find a cure. However, the statistics tell us that 80% of T2’s on diagnosis are overweight or obese and that as the obesity levels in the general population have risen so too has the number of T2’s being diagnosed.
This does not equate directly to the cause but does result in the major risk factor for developing T2 being overweight or obese. Eliminating the major risk factor is key.
The issue I have with the concept of overeating being caused by diabetes is that the question then surely has to be: why have we not always had high levels of T2? What has fundamentally changed in the last 30 years? Blood sugar 101 may claim it’s damage to our genes from pesticide exposure, plastics and other toxins but would genetic mutations from these areas impact the population so quickly?
Perhaps other sociological changes such as mechanisation, sedentary lifestyle, convenience food etc, which have all been rapid changes, would have a more immediate impact? Genetic changes have to be passed through generations. Sociological changes can work in months.
Any comments on my earlier post @Cl1ve?
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/thr...es-make-you-over-eat.84710/page-2#post-953435
Thanks Lucy .Bloods still looking good and grabbed a huge beef bone at the butchers to make beef broth .All soup recipes welcome .I make at least three a week
Hi had my hba1c results on Monday . Down from 100 to 48 . I'm now of gliclazide to see how I do for a few weeks . My DB nurse told me to Carry on self testing so my test strips are on prescription still . I'm finding all the research on diet amazing there are so much research and so many different results it's now a bit of a joke with me and my partner . I'll find some research and then she will find some to disprove it .How is it going now, @Susiespearish ?
Funnily enough I was wondering how you were doing a few days ago, because I hadn't seen your posts for ages, and then I see this thread.
Hope the fasting is helping!
How is it going now, @Susiespearish ?
Funnily enough I was wondering how you were doing a few days ago, because I hadn't seen your posts for ages, and then I see this thread.
Hope the fasting is helping!
Hi iv had a thought about you above comment . Iv spoken to my mother and asked her about her diet . Iv 4 sisters and a brother I'm the only one in the family with diabetes . We where quite a poor family my mum cooked all are food so no processed food or sweets . I asked mum if she could remember any diet changes between the pregnancies and was told no . I have to add that my mum is 94 and her memory is not as good as it was . I was just wondering how this would fit into the above theoryAny comments on my earlier post @Cl1ve?
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/thr...es-make-you-over-eat.84710/page-2#post-953435
No worries!Opps thought that last comment was for me . Ignore my last message sorry
Clive
http://carbsanity.blogspot.no/2012/07/diabetes-treatment-stuffs.htmlHi iv had a thought about you above comment . Iv spoken to my mother and asked her about her diet . Iv 4 sisters and a brother I'm the only one in the family with diabetes . We where quite a poor family my mum cooked all are food so no processed food or sweets . I asked mum if she could remember any diet changes between the pregnancies and was told no . I have to add that my mum is 94 and her memory is not as good as it was . I was just wondering how this would fit into the above theory
Clive
Really? She also put back on a lot of weight and blames low carb for it, not her Lindt chocolate habit. As far as I know she's never managed to control her own weight, yet still claims to know the truth. IMO, the woman is a nasty piece of work who misuses science to push her own twisted nasty agenda and uses the worst kind of ad hominem attacks on low carb scientists and anyone who doesn't agree with her. Her blog is a cesspool of nastiness and I avoid it like the plague, but I guess we all have our own views on people in the blogosphere.http://carbsanity.blogspot.no/2012/07/diabetes-treatment-stuffs.html
This a person that used a lowcarb diet to lose a lot of weight. She is an engineer but is also a professor and knows very much about diabetes. Read everything on here blog about diabetes, I have learned very much from her webpage-
Really? She also put back on a lot of weight and blames low carb for it, not her Lindt chocolate habit. As far as I know she's never managed to control her own weight, yet still claims to know the truth. IMO, the woman is a nasty piece of work who misuses science to push her own twisted nasty agenda and uses the worst kind of ad hominem attacks on low carb scientists and anyone who doesn't agree with her. Her blog is a cesspool of nastiness and I avoid it like the plague, but I guess we all have our own views on people in the blogosphere.
Hi . thanks for the comment . ill look out for herehttp://carbsanity.blogspot.no/2012/07/diabetes-treatment-stuffs.html
This a person that used a lowcarb diet to lose a lot of weight. She is an engineer but is also a professor and knows very much about diabetes. Read everything on here blog about diabetes, I have learned very much from her webpage-
Hi I've just read an article that has found some new evidence that it is the diabetes that is making people put on weight not the Weight giving people diabetes .
The biochemistry of how this works is well known. Just google.
How is it going now, @Susiespearish ?
Funnily enough I was wondering how you were doing a few days ago, because I hadn't seen your posts for ages, and then I see this thread.
Hope the fasting is helping!
It's just one part of the process. Some of the most recent research is done at Newcastle University. They have kindly made their paper Type 2 Diabetes Etiology and Reversibility publically available.
You are right with what you say; from the paper:
"However, because the process of de novo lipogenesis is stimulated by higher insulin levels, the scene is set for hepatic fat accumulation. Excess fat deposition in the liver is present before the onset of classical type 2 diabetes, and in established type 2 diabetes, liver fat is supranormal."
This is not obesity though, it's fatty liver. Most obese people don't have diabetes, what you need is a fatty liver.
The question then becomes why does the insulin metabolism change in the first place? The answer it seems is that; "The accumulation of fat in liver and secondarily in the pancreas will lead to self-reinforcing cycles that interact to bring about type 2 diabetes. Fatty liver leads to impaired fasting glucose metabolism and increases export of VLDL triacylglycerol, which increases fat delivery to all tissues, including the islets." It is this process that creates the inityial increase in insulin production, but then, "The liver and pancreas cycles drive onward after diagnosis with steadily decreasing β-cell function." which results in a decrease of insulin. Basically your β-cells become metabolically inhibited and eventually die and you produce less and less and why some people have to inject it.
See in particular the section, The twin cycle hypothesis of etiology of type 2 diabetes.
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