That sounds horrendous, but doesn't totally surprise me, either... So unfair. Cruel, even?I have been called a liar, delusional, a glutton, and various other unpleasant things - I have even been threatened with being 'taken and fed properly' - though just who would do the taking and where to was never clear.
In which case you didn't truly reduce calories. Or your output adapted.I am amazed that people dont realise that, for some of us, reducing calories doesn't lead to weight loss.
so how do you calculate what goes in (is it equivalent for everything or does it differ), what is available, what is accessible, what is used? is your assessment robust (repeatable), does it apply to everyone or are there individual differences?You have to be in calorie deficit! You have to be consuming less than your lifestyle requires.
I am amazed that some people really believe CICO works for everyone. Here's my experience of eating as much fat as I could eat in a little experiment of my own.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/my-5-day-dairy-fat-fast.81433/
You can be in deficit and still not lose weight if your metabolism is broken.
Read the thread I quoted!!!CICO is a law of physics. It works for everyone when applied properly. The issue is people don't understand it.
Outside of certain disease states your metabolism isn't broken.
Very good point, that we are all different and the topic is extremely complicated! Thank you!Well if we are going by personal experiences, mine is that if I don’t calorie restrict my blood sugar soars and stays high even if all I’ve eaten for six days is ground beef, bacon, a few cabbage leaves, salt and pepper and water. So maybe it might be good (or at least just compassionate) to remember that this is an extremely complicated and contradictory disease and as amazing as following any particular guru may have been for you, their holy scripture might not be what’s best for everyone.
I’m so sorry if this seems hostile, I don’t mean it to be. I just want to stick me neck out and say that something that seems to work for a lot of the prolific posters here doesn’t work for me, in the hope that it reassures lurkers who have similar differing experiences but feel too intimidated to speak up, as showing doubt in certain scriptures here seems to be frowned on, LOL.
CICO is a law of physics. It works for everyone when applied properly. The issue is people don't understand it.
Outside of certain disease states your metabolism isn't broken.
And these 'disease states' are?CICO is a law of physics. It works for everyone when applied properly. The issue is people don't understand it.
Outside of certain disease states your metabolism isn't broken.
I'm sort of amazed that some people don't understand that a human body is a complex biological system with numerous inputs, feedback loops and outpus, not an isolated closed vat full of gas... Or they just don't understand where thermodynamics applies.I'm sort of amazed at how people are try to prove that humans are immune to the first law of thermodynamics.
Free living conditions include internal feedback loops. What if your body is struggling to deal with sugar but at the same time sending messages it's hungry because the body is all out of whack (technical term). So the individual is making appropriate choices based on the messages the body is sending which are also correspondingly negative for the body. Conclusion is free living conditions are dangerous, especially if you are ill informed (or mislead).In which case you didn't truly reduce calories. Or your output adapted.
Because every time it is done in a metabolic ward humans consistently and predictably lose weight.
The issue is implementing it in free living conditions.
Unless you have a shed load of money, access to a metabolic ward, and plenty of time then for the individual trial and error. Or you could read the many stories available from recovering anorexics.so how do you calculate what goes in (is it equivalent for everything or does it differ), what is available, what is accessible, what is used? is your assessment robust (repeatable), does it apply to everyone or are there individual differences?
I'm sort of amazed that some people don't understand that a human body is a complex biological system with numerous inputs, feedback loops and outpus, not an isolated closed vat full of gas... Or they just don't understand where thermodynamics applies.
but that's the point your generalisation isn't valid without that input, so you can't judge (or know).Unless you have a shed load of money, access to a metabolic ward, and plenty of time then for the individual trial and error. Or you could read the many stories available from recovering anorexics.
as you read around the posters on this forum, you will find several of us in this situation of living on very little food and not losing weight. It happens. Humans are complex creatures and we vary in our responses to many things. Its well known when out hormonal systems are out of kilter.In which case you didn't truly reduce calories. Or your output adapted.
Because every time it is done in a metabolic ward humans consistently and predictably lose weight.
The issue is implementing it in free living conditions.
anorexia is a complex and multifaceted condition, with recent research indicating there is a genetic malfunction of various physical functions of their bodies:Or you could read the many stories available from recovering anorexics.
It would be helpful if the forum didn't recognise most links as spamLadies and gents, please remain civil or posts will be deleted and so on.
Where claims are made to science, please post links to back up claims,
but that's the point your generalisation isn't valid without that input, so you can't judge (or know).
Perhaps you may find the 'Carbohydrate Insulin Model' interesting research, after all this is a Diabetes site not only a weight loss site.I think that the biggest issue with CICO is the (incorrect) assumptions most people make about it.
I would highly recommend people read the CICO article on the same website (Myolean Fitness) before attempting to dismiss CICO.
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