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Eat more Fruit?

one mango - BG level 16mmol/l after 2 hours and 11 after 10 hours.
It was early days - about 3 weeks after diagnosis, if I remember correctly - I was badly affected by the statins so my memory is very hazy about the date. I do have the results on my BG meter - but I can't remember what I did with it.
 
Fruit will be controversial to most dieticians and of course doctors for many reasons.
But it does all depend on the individual and the portion size of the fruit.
Tolerance to fructose is not to be overlooked for some of the benefits of some fruit throughout the day.
After experience, experimenting, testing recording and for the most part failing to keep my levels within normal levels, I now eat very small pieces of fruit throughout the day. Always with something that will slow the fructose into glucose like Greek full fat yoghurt.
Sugar is fructose!
Fructose is a type of glucose!
Too much Glucose is usually not good for T2.

As I said it depends on intolerance and portion size!

According to my endocrinologist, a healthy person should eat only three portions of fruit a day! The question is how much for a diabetic?

The debate continues!
 
Adelle39 said:
so true! and what a heated debate! reading the thread, as I try to keep myself informed in order to help my sister diagnosed with T2 last year, I felt like making an experiment, probably soon. there's this app I've stumbled upon, called the Dietbundle Project which seem to generate hyper-personalized 21 days meals plan and they have a special focus on diabetics too, i.e. the user puts in the allowed quantity of carbs together all a bunch of other personal characteristics and receives the meal plans accordingly. I wonder if fruits would be included in their meal plans and in what quantity.
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I would be really surprised if it wasn't!
The theory is that if you eat 'normal' healthy food, then you should be healthy!
The problem is diabetes can be a dietary condition. And are intolerant to quite a few foods, so what is healthy for a healthy person is not healthy for a diabetic.
I have a lot of intolerance to many foods but am assured that I eat very low GI foods, then I won't get symptoms. Unfortunately, I do!
Up until recently, the many GPs, dsns, can't get there heads around this!
Diabetes is such an individual condition. One size does not fit all!
 
Lamont D said:
so what is healthy for a healthy person is not healthy for a diabetic.
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Yes, but is it healthy for a (so called) healthy person. Isn't all that sugar and carbs making us (and I don't mean diabetics) the fattest humans ever to have walked the planet. We all stopped eating "normal" food a long time ago and now reap the consequences with our modern illnesses.
Sally
 
sally and james said:
Yes, but is it healthy for a (so called) healthy person. Isn't all that sugar and carbs making us (and I don't mean diabetics) the fattest humans ever to have walked the planet. We all stopped eating "normal" food a long time ago and now reap the consequences with our modern illnesses.
Sally
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That is what dieticians are taught to advise! (Arent you pedantic today?:):rolleyes:)
As you infer, what is normal?
And of course depending on so many factors what is healthy?
I'm healthy but I can't eat what a dietician would consider a normal ' healthy' diet!:hungover::happy:
 
I don't believe that this article should even be taken seriously .. apart from the Daily Wail and their "Science correspondent" who appear to think that is today's diabetes epiphany, the whole thing is littered with 'ifs', 'maybes', 'cans, 'coulds', 'mights', 'suggests', probablys' and 'possiblys' .. which are then extrapolated into statements of 'fact'

A few example quotes taken from the article ..
# eating fresh fruit every day can cut your risk of developing diabetes
# found it does not raise blood sugar, probably because glucose and fructose in fruit are metabolised differently
# findings suggest that a higher intake of fresh fruit is potentially beneficial for primary and secondary prevention of diabetes

But then ..
# responding to the findings, Dr Emily Burns of Diabetes UK, said: "Fresh fruit has many health benefits and it’s a myth that people with diabetes shouldn’t eat it"
# a report on the study from PLOS Medicine said: "there is a widespread misunderstanding about the importance of eating fruit for diabetes patients"

And with my cynical hat on ..
# this couldn't have anything to do with the "woeful" state of the global orange juice market, reported by Informa Agribusiness Intelligence, could it .. ?
 
well looking at all the bad and wrong advice, I sometimes get the thought that there is a will behind all this misinformation to keep as many people ill in the world so some owners can earn really many money on a global population in need for medications... it is worrying that so much bad advice is sent along in mass media...
 
I have read elsewhere that some diabetics suffer from scurvy because of not eating enough fruit. Yet I find myself avoiding most fruit because of the sugar effect.. I cope with this by using lemon juice as a flavouring for my water drinks, and eating a relatively small amount of strawberries. Whilst some may disapprove, my lemon juice is from the (pure/undiluted) bottled lemon juice as this lasts a long time stored in my fridge (I also often use lemon juice for adding flavour to vegetables and other foods, including salads combined with olive oil).
 
I have been avoiding fruits like the plague since being diagnosed and reading that fruits are nature's candy.
At the back of my mind however, the conventional advise being given growing up is to eat your fruits and veggies if you want to be healthy still lingers. Hey, an apple a day keeps the doctor away right?!

However, I eat to my meter (a big big help in deciding what to eat and what to avoid for diabetics) and fruits spike my BS to unimaginable levels. I rather trust my meter and body's own reaction rather to some old conventional wisdom.
 
David22272 said:
I have read elsewhere that some diabetics suffer from scurvy because of not eating enough fruit. Yet I find myself avoiding most fruit because of the sugar effect.. I cope with this by using lemon juice as a flavouring for my water drinks, and eating a relatively small amount of strawberries. Whilst some may disapprove, my lemon juice is from the (pure/undiluted) bottled lemon juice as this lasts a long time stored in my fridge (I also often use lemon juice for adding flavour to vegetables and other foods, including salads combined with olive oil).
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Vitamin C rich foods include bell peppers, tomatoes, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, kale. I love lemons and limes too.
 
I used to eat a lot of fruit - my colleagues used to laugh at me because I had a dish on my desk which I would fill on a Monday morning with a variety of fruit such as apples, pears, oranges, bananas, grapes, kiwis and plums and by Friday it was gone - although I would sometimes have help! I used to have a nice healthy breakfast - bran flakes with sliced banana and, if we went out for a meal, I had the 'healthy' dessert ie fruit salad with a small amount of fresh cream and I still got T2! Although I have the occasional apple with some cheese I tend to stick to berries now which I know do not spike me.
 
David22272 said:
I have read elsewhere that some diabetics suffer from scurvy because of not eating enough fruit. Yet I find myself avoiding most fruit because of the sugar effect.. I cope with this by using lemon juice as a flavouring for my water drinks, and eating a relatively small amount of strawberries. Whilst some may disapprove, my lemon juice is from the (pure/undiluted) bottled lemon juice as this lasts a long time stored in my fridge (I also often use lemon juice for adding flavour to vegetables and other foods, including salads combined with olive oil).
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Well I eat max 10 raspberries a week...no scurvy yet ....
 
Milk is supposed to be healthy for us, and most dairy products. Especially for avoiding osteoporosis. However, for my lactose intolerant friend, this healthy food group isnt healthy.

so I take the label "healthy" on anything with the caveat that we are all individual, so there is no 100% blanket worldwide healthy food for all.
 
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