Gunning for cure - Type 2

SeoulSurvivor

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Hi there.

I'm a Brit living in South Korea. Diagnosed 2005 type 2. Uncontrolled and neuropathy in feet.

I've just started a 'Newcastle' style diet using 'hanyak' (oriental medicine). I drink this muddy liquid, which tastes horrible, from sachets three times a day. It appears to boost metabolism (and resting heart rate!) and suppresses appetite. A friend of mine has lost 8 kilograms in one month. I'm told I can expect to average 6kg loss every month. Basically, I have a quarter apple and a glass of low fat milk in the morning, then two meals during the day of mainly protein (chicken breast, pork cutlet, tofu) and salad.

I'm 6foot tall and weigh 105 kg. I need to lose 30kg to hit my ideal weight, so I'm aiming to keep this diet for five months (longer than the Newcastle thing). This will, hopefully, be life-changing.
 

Juicyj

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Hello @SeoulSurvivor and welcome to the forum.

I have tagged @daisy1 for her newbie information which is very useful.

Gosh the muddy liquid sounds like torture !! It is a manageable condition to live with, do you also exercise, as is would help greatly also.

Good luck and let us know how you get on ;)
 

walnut_face

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Welcome @SeoulSurvivor and I wish you all the best on your journey to control 'the beast' Please bear in mind that not everyone on the ND reversed the condition. I too have been on a quest to shed the pounds, and should I fit into a tailor made suit I bought in 1993 I will consider that a success. Any medical benefits beyond that will be a bonus for me.
 

Mike d

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That is a rather big weight drop (not that your goal is unrealistic as it is anything but) so pace yourself a bit ... and good exercise will work well. Dunno about that stuff you're taking (did do some reading though) and seems to have a bit of ginger in it so if you can consume that stuff, you're a better man than I am :)
 

Daibell

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Hi and welcome. It sounds like you are starting on the right road to reduce weight. I would say you need to focus on reducing the carbs to reduce both weight and blood sugar. The ND does work quite well but focusses on calorie reduction not carb reduction and it's the carbs that are our biggest enemy as diabetics.
 

SunnyExpat

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Hi there.

I'm a Brit living in South Korea. Diagnosed 2005 type 2. Uncontrolled and neuropathy in feet.

I've just started a 'Newcastle' style diet using 'hanyak' (oriental medicine). I drink this muddy liquid, which tastes horrible, from sachets three times a day. It appears to boost metabolism (and resting heart rate!) and suppresses appetite. A friend of mine has lost 8 kilograms in one month. I'm told I can expect to average 6kg loss every month. Basically, I have a quarter apple and a glass of low fat milk in the morning, then two meals during the day of mainly protein (chicken breast, pork cutlet, tofu) and salad.

I'm 6foot tall and weigh 105 kg. I need to lose 30kg to hit my ideal weight, so I'm aiming to keep this diet for five months (longer than the Newcastle thing). This will, hopefully, be life-changing.

Good luck with this.

There have been many success stories from using very low calorie diets, hang in there to the end, it sounds like a good plan.
 

daisy1

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@SeoulSurvivor

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope it will help to make further progress. Try the Low-Carb/High-Fat diet as mentioned above as you should find it helps you. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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SeoulSurvivor

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
It's been a month and I'm now 98.6kg down from 105. My wife is excited! I still get a lot of tingling in my feet at night. I think it's my liver doing a glucose dump. I must be patient. Still a long way to go. 20 kilograms to my target weight. A little over three months. I also had a funny moment at the health club. I did some weights and then high intensity cycling machine for fifteen minutes followed by ten minutes lying in a heated pool. When I got out of the pool I nearly fainted! Had to sit down. When I eventually managed to get dressed it took me ages to get up the stairs. But happy to know the fat is melting away.
 

KevinPotts

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Good stuff SeoulSurvivor. Keep at it as it clearly seems to be working:)


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SeoulSurvivor

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Ok. Ive hit 94.5. I've had a break for a few days, eating normally. I've found that my feet are tingling less and less and I now can sense cold with the soles of my feet. I've got another 8 kilos to lose to reach 'normal' weight. I'm off to visit my parents in England on June 25th for three weeks, so I'm going to skip the diet for that period. I'll be back on it from mid-July to end August. That's when I'll know the real outcome. I'll get an OGTT. If I don't have full reversal I'll keep exercising and maintain my weight in the middle of the normal range, then go for the nuclear option in the winter vacation - 25 days of complete rest and water fasting. I actually hope I get to do that. I have an extreme personality.


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