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HAS ANYONE EVER CHALLENGED THE NHS EAT WELL PLATE/GUIDE RE DIABETICS?

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Debandez, May 25, 2018.

  1. pollensa

    pollensa · Guest

    yes your absolutely right, its a problem worldwide, which are frightening to say the least, but one only has to look also at Australia re general Diabetes websites as well as America look how they inform public "diabetes is a chronic and progressive disease and can only be treat with medications", indicating there is no hope, no positive words in sight, to indicate that infact, Diabetes can be controlled, as such, levels can be reversed for short or long term, by all means, if they want frighten us all off giving indications, there is NO HOPE, we are destined for a life of pill popping making pharmas very happy chappies business wise, at least be truthful and add as well, that will lifestyle change, diet and exercise, one can take charge, use these tools, and for the Websites in Australia and America to become more ethical produce more wide range positive reliable information regards Diabetes generally whether on the dietary front and/or about the disease the condition what can be done give positive and correct hope. will that happen I doubt it, the big boys will smack their bottoms for doing so Yes or No is the question?
     
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  2. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    That's why the Virta health initiative in the US is such a big thing. They are advocating a Low Carb treatment method, getting good results and most importantly saving US healthcare insurers money. I think that may be the best way in there and once the US finally gets over its bad advice than it may get adopted by the rest of the world who seem to blindly follow US advice.
     
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  3. pollensa

    pollensa · Guest

    This is a point well raised, one is under the impression by taking metformin that will allow them to lets say be lazy, just continue eating what is not good for diabetes at the end of the day and whose fault is this, the medical industry is my thinking for allowing this situation, its too easy, I have had my own doctor say here in Spain, its easier just to give metformin, as people dont want to change diet or lifestyle, not everyone can be motivated as yourself, so metformin is easier, is that the right approach I dont think so? its the same pop a pill for Blood pressure, this will allow you to continue eating as much salt as you like....for goodness sake medical system, pushing pills when surely it would have been much better sound medical advice to say, cut down salt, if you add whilst cooking, dont add at table, lets wait 6 months do a review cutting down salt, rather than immediately say pop a pill daily to allow you eat what you want basically, does not seem good medical sense, but then who am I, to decide, sadly many people go along with this system, so the patient becomes the victim of following old habits and not changing, as he thinks the pill will allow him to do this, but the question as I see it, the problem whether diabetes or blood pressure, does not get better its getting worse underneath, as no lifestyle change is taking place?
     
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  4. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Onwards and upwards. All for one and one for all.
     
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  5. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    No one is arguing against that which we know to be true. What we must rail against is the corruption that stops truth being spread widely and openly among the population. We each hold personal choice very highly but if people are not given the facts how can they make informed choices?
     
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  6. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Just a quick update on my friend who was diagnosed around the same time as me last year. He went out with my hubby last night and the diabetes was brought up. He has seen my progress as I post on social media when I reach specific goals. Reached my goal weight and non diabetic hba1c. A couple of weeks ago I went through things with him explaining the testing to your meter and what to eat to bring down BS. Last night he said 'I'm not bothering, I'm just going to take the tablets, I love my food too much especially pasta'. He also added his fasting bloods are over 7. He does test here and there. It's made out like it's an easy option when actually it's a sticking plaster and does nothing to keep diabetes in check. But my friend is one of many in his thinking (Not helped by the GP/DN) and we are the minority. We can only hope to see education in this area advance. Education is the key.
     
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  7. AtkinsMo

    AtkinsMo Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree with you, except that the Low Salt theory has been as thoroughly debunked as HCLF. And if you are following LCHF strictly, you will likely need a bit MORE salt, as the diet is a natural diuretic. We know friends who have had heart attacks who truly believe that their cocktail of drugs enables them to continue smoking! Doctors don’t emphasise the importance of lifestyle changes, maybe because the majority of them don’t understand them themselves!
     
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  8. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    This may sound awful but here goes, I look at a plate of pasta or rice and an image of amputated feet immediately comes to mind and I make my choices accordingly. I'm strange in that way.
     
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  9. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    There is something odd about that plate. Have a look in the bottom segment where meat and fish are shown, and then look in the vegetable segment. Beans and legumes appear in both, particularly red lentils, red beans and chickpeas. There maybe others.
     
  10. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Quite right. It's tragic to see people. Every time I go away there's always someone else on the tour in quite a bad way. In NZ a guy who'd had a heart attack, had SIX stents fitted, and spent the whole tour eating all the desserts and snacking on crisps and chocolate bars.
     
  11. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    And outrageously there's no bacon!
     
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    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ah. But does it represent every kind of food manufacturer?
     
  13. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    obviously the bacon producers of Australia failed to contribute enough..
     
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  14. pollensa

    pollensa · Guest

    Fantastico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you hit the nail right on the head, absolutely love the comment, to the point, i.e. majority of doctors dont understand the importance of lifestyle changes, probably thats because they are trained to think medications, perhaps, it pays their wages at the end of the day, its not in their best interests perhaps to emphasis on what is of vital importance, some may know, but reluctant tochange from their training habits sadly. Myself, well, I challenged the medications v. lifestyle change, the latter proved to be the sound and best decision, now recorded as non diabetic range, how I wonder if I had been taking the cocktail of Metormin, shuffling the sugars here and there to one place in my body show did not want them, so they dumped the sugars to another part, and in between, was my pre diabetes situation getting better no as I see it, so that speaks volumes, how importance Lifestyle changes are and to be included as normal procedure policies of information for all or any patient as I see it. Yes re Salt your right, I simply quoted as example, being low carb keto I have had to introduce more salt, its all such a catch 22 situation for us all isnt it, one goes low carb get wonderful results by doing so, in control and keeping control, eating low carbs one eat more healthy fats, introducing perhaps, more butter, cream, etc, the concern here, what about cholesterol upting, so with one hand positive keep control of sugars, but other hand negative, one takes the chance of possible higher cholesterol, thats the wheel. However, well said in your post, Hell Doctors, wake up start to emphasis more, whether it goes against your conventional wisdom approach, time to change ones approach...
     
  15. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    But it is not just medics. We are trained (brainwashed?) into thinking that 'healthy foods' such as breakfast cereals, fruit juices/smoothies, whole grains etc are the foods to aim for as well as snack foods that give us energy enough to last us the inordinately long time between breakfast and lunch. If you are told something long enough and often enough you do eventually beleive it.
     
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  16. Terrytiddy

    Terrytiddy Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Like you @Rachox I am a late comer to this thread. My Dr and Dn are interested to see my results after starting the LCHF diet again. I did it a few years ago and it was working but I fell off the wagon. This time I'm driving the wagon!! Also one of my neighbours is a dietician at the local hospital and when I told her about going on the LCHF diet her words "That is not safe, you need carbs to keep your body going and all that fat is dangerous. You will not loose weight and you will have no energy because energy comes from carbs" Well guess she is in for a shock in the next couple of months when I have my next HbA1c check! will keep you posted. :)
     
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  17. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    We learned last year that up to 50% of NHS staff are overweight or obese. They are victims of misinformation just the same way that everyone else is. Education and training and mindset has to change, governments are too slow to act and the corruption of data is (or seems to be) becoming the norm. We are at the edge of a precipice.
     
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  18. Terrytiddy

    Terrytiddy Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Its called conditioning @Guzzler as you know. Big pharma don't want cures as they say "no profit in a cure" Food industry people on forums and committees to tell us best things to eat!! We will show them that they are wrong!!
     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Too right. Spread the word!
     
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    No butter or avocados too.
     
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