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HAS ANYONE EVER CHALLENGED THE NHS EAT WELL PLATE/GUIDE RE DIABETICS?

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Debandez, May 25, 2018.

  1. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I think the first question Drs should ask a pt walking through there door is 'so.....what do you eat?'
     
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  2. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    It's very disturbing. I've just had my latest hba1c and now for 2 months I'm going to test certain foods. Yesterday I added beans to my bacon fried eggs and mushrooms and didn't like the result. And it was only a couple of spoons!!! I'm just about to test this morning's slice of low carb bread with cheese!!! Gulp!!!
     
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    bamba Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I don't think elephant spread is available at the moment - there are conservation issues.
     
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  4. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    Throughout my almost two decades of battling the health industry about why I was getting fatter and my health declining, despite being on some form of diet, changing to the latest fad diet, or being advised that this or that was not helping, the constant factor was the eat well plate!
    I was told so many times that T2, was the cause of liver and kidney function, fatty liver, obesity and if I didn't stick to the recommended diet, I would become more obese and my T2, would get worse.

    Since diagnosis and of course this forum, my diet has changed to where I am today.
    My endocrinologist, who did literally save my life, suggested on our first appointment, a lower carb diet and reading this forum would help.

    Since then, the dialogue between my endocrinologist and myself, have changed our ideas on what is healthy for those with particular conditions where diet is so important to that person's condition.

    I certainly believe that the generally accepted advice is so wrong, and doesn't deal with the fundamental problem of too many carbs in the modern diet, never mind the industrial sugars that have invaded our food.

    I could go on!
     
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    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Although most people eat what they like with no regard for government guidelines, that guidance is still influential in terms of any state funded food (hospitals, prisons, schools). I agree that the Eat Badly plate is too biased towards carbohydrates and as such may be unsuitable for at least half the adult population who have a tendency to metabolic syndrome of which diabetes is 1 marker.
    We don't have freedom of choice now
    When you walk into a Supermarket you are bombarded with 'low fat' (high sugar) options plus 'healthy wholegrains ' and BoGoFs on anything made with cheap grains. Big food manufactuers are failing to reduce sugar fast enough according to PHE and the same is true for restuarant chains where the public can eat lots of sugar and vegetable oil concoctions for a cheap price and are choosing to do so on a frequent basis. So whilst The Sun has taken an editorial line of 'hands off our grub' nanny state, it is just not true that we have true freedom of choice.
    Who pays for cheap food?
    Just as we are discussing long term funding for the NHS and the prospect of paying an extra £1500 per household to keep standing still, why is nobody mentioning prevention via eating better? e.g. David Unwin saved a uge amount for his CCG by making his practice low carb and all his patients actively chose this route rather than take diabetes medications.
    I do fear that we will slip into a situation where people do get health insurance and the NHS provides much more basic care. At this point we will be paying a very high price for our cheap food both personally and financially.
    Rant over...
     
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  6. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    If you have never seen a hospital menu and been in a diabetic ward, it is something unbelievable.
    From orange juice, low fat yoghurt, toast, weetabix, corn flakes, fruit juice, mashed potatoes, and so on.
    Do people still bring lucozade to patients?
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    No, they bring grapes. :banghead:
     
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    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    Having been classed as overweight all my adult life I have been telling all sorts of people that I can't eat carbs without putting on weight - they usually just say 'nonsense' and hand me a diet sheet - eat 50 percent of calories from carbs is usually the first instruction.
    I don't think that I'll ever again be able to lift a drunken folk singer off the floor and onto the back of a motorcycle combination, but, after doing my resistance training for a few weeks I caught a morris dancer and stopped him falling at the folk festival last weekend...
     
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    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    How far had he fallen. Those morris dancers can be a very dissolute lot.
     
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  10. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    I still get people telling me that calories are all the same wether it be carbs or protein.
    And the more calories you have from any source, you have to rid more calories out to be healthy, lose weight and so on.
    I can tolerate a lot more calories from protein and non from carbs.
    The issue of fibre is another, because I work in sport, the fibre should be got from carbs! This is what the nutritionist has advised me.
    So how do I get the much needed fibre to be healthy?
    I don't know, but I don't have a problem with my digestion, bowels or get vitamin deficiencies.
    Being in ketosis, is what is best and working for me. My body is happier this way, my energy levels are brilliant, never tired.
    Sometimes I think, that my body knew what was happening a long time ago and learnt how to cope with these so called healthy normal foods, that were not healthy for me.
    How do you get good calcium levels if you are dairy intolerant?
    The body is a wonderful thing!
     
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    lessci Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Have you tried the reduced sugar ones? I had a meter win with those, one of the small tins + 2 rashers bacon for Saturday lunch, 2 hr post reading only up 1:happy:
     
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    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi. This topic has long been discussed on these forums. The main problem is the influence of the global food industry. They fund many of the university 'research' programs which keep the Professors in business. Organisations such as PHE (Public Health England) go to the universities for dietary advice and guess what they receive? Carbs are cheap and very profitable. The recent Eatwell Guide update was signed-off by a committee consisting of a majority of food industry people (the Minutes are lurking on the web if you can find them) so is totally biased. The next level problem is that NHS Choices, NICE, BDA (British Dietetic Association) etc follow PHE advice and GPs and DNs are expected to follow it. Even DUK (the .org one) followed this advice until recently when it has started to trim it back. I've complained many times to the NHS, DUK etc usually with no effect but DUK did recently give me a much more considered reply. What a strange world we live in. I feel sorry for those who take the bad NHS diet advice and don't know about these forums. The harm done is incalculable.
     
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  13. pollensa

    pollensa · Guest

    I dont know to be honest, perhaps it may prove beneficial and/or worthwhile if someone was brave enough to do so? I totally agree with your excellent post, and applaud you have raised valid points within, especially re business side of Medical Industry Docs payments from the system, many points unfortunately may not be taken into account by many or even know take place or exist. Diabetes it seems now, thankfully, is beginning to be viewed in reality by more and more every day as "big business" one way or the other, people are starting to wake up to the reality.

    Enjoyed your informative post. Well said, more should speak out and share as points raised within more often. thank you.
     
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  14. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    You have been on a white knuckle ride! But glad to see you have stepped off that and are on a more tranquil ride where you can take in the scenery! It's so obvious to all if us. The powers that be cannot all be blind!!! I smell a rat.
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I could not agree more.ive had my eyes opened since diagnosis I can tell you. When there isn't one breakfast cereal that is diabetic friendly there is something wrong. Mostly everything is processed rubbish. Loaded with hidden sugars. The low fat foods are high in sugar!!! There is a gap in the market for a diabetic section and i don't mean jams and marmalades! There isn't even a low carb section. I've spent a lot of time reading labels these past 6 months!!! It's bery frustrating to say the least. Well done you for getting a handle on it and steering yourself on the path of good health.
     
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    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think we've all done the lable thing until be get used to it
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Shocking absolutely shocking!
     
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  18. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    You are doing you bit to help in the community!!! Yes the diet advice is incredible. How are you doing now?
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    You have done amazingly well and have found what works for you which is keto. Brilliant. Well done.
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    No but I will thanks. It was breakfast out in the local park and no option other than beans loaded with sugar! It was a meter test. Classed as a fail!
     
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