High Fat Diets - May Cause Inflammatory Bowel Diseases

Sid Bonkers · Jun 14, 2012

I can hear the roar go up now saying "just another mouse study" but this makes perfect sense to me as we know that fat in the gut slows down stomach emptying. Food for thought for high fat eaters perhaps.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18432652

Extract: "The researchers said the high-fat diet changed the way food was digested and encouraged harmful bacteria."

Paul1976 · Jun 14, 2012

Can only speak from my experience but until this year I always followed the whole 'All fats are the devils urine' advice but it didn't prevent me developing crohns disease in my teens,Bowel cancer aged 34 and diabetes aged 35.I also had a total cholesteral of 5.2 when i was on a/ low fat/high wholegrain diet and now I've thrown all the low fat **** out for natural foods and animal fats my total cholesteral is now 3.5 and I feel much better so i know what side my breads buttered.

Grazer · Jun 14, 2012

Paul1976 said:
Can only speak from my experience but until this year I always followed the whole 'All fats are the devils urine' advice but it didn't prevent me developing crohns disease in my teens,Bowel cancer aged 34 and diabetes aged 35.I also had a total cholesteral of 5.2 when i was on a/ low fat/high wholegrain diet and now I've thrown all the low fat **** out for natural foods and animal fats my total cholesteral is now 3.5 and I feel much better so i know what side my breads buttered.

Interesting Paul. I thought I WAS quite a low fat eater until xyzzy's helpful donut showed I ate about 50% fat! And I've never been fitter or had lower cholesterol, etc etc in decades.

lucylocket61 · Jun 14, 2012

They used genetically modified mice which were more likely to develop IBDs. One in three developed colitis when fed either low-fat diets or meals high in polyunsaturated fats. This jumped to nearly two in three in those fed a diet high in saturated milk fats, which are in many processed foods.

Quote from the article.

Hmmm.....................saturated milk fats. Anyone know what this means? and whether mice react to milk in any way?

Interesting article about milk fats: http://www.milkfacts.info/Milk Composition/Fat.htm

and an article promoting the eating of milk fats as beneficial, just for balance: http://www.euromilk.org/upload/docs/EDA/PR CON SF Conference FINAL.pdf

Defren · Jun 14, 2012

I can't wait to spread a huge thick layer of butter on my home made low carb bread. What could be nicer!

wiflib · Jun 14, 2012

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pass the scratchings

Grazer · Jun 14, 2012

Defren said:
I can't wait to spread a huge thick layer of butter on my home made low carb bread. What could be nicer!

A big thick layer of Jam on top of that??

Paul1976 · Jun 14, 2012

Grazer said:
Paul1976 said:

Can only speak from my experience but until this year I always followed the whole 'All fats are the devils urine' advice but it didn't prevent me developing crohns disease in my teens,Bowel cancer aged 34 and diabetes aged 35.I also had a total cholesteral of 5.2 when i was on a/ low fat/high wholegrain diet and now I've thrown all the low fat **** out for natural foods and animal fats my total cholesteral is now 3.5 and I feel much better so i know what side my breads buttered.

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Interesting Paul. I thought I WAS quite a low fat eater until xyzzy's helpful donut showed I ate about 50% fat! And I've never been fitter or had lower cholesterol, etc etc in decades.

:thumbup: :thumbup: Exactly!! We know our bodies best and how we're feeling regarding how vibrant we feel,add that to improved bloodwork on lab tests and well....I'm completely converted

Defren · Jun 14, 2012

Grazer said:
Defren said:

I can't wait to spread a huge thick layer of butter on my home made low carb bread. What could be nicer!

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A big thick layer of Jam on top of that??

I've not had jam in ages Sheepy. Perhaps I could try out my new improved pancreas with some? I buy Sainsbury's taste the difference butter as it's made with Jersey milk, so possibly even worse for me than I thought :lol: I shall double the portion and see :wink:

Paul1976 · Jun 14, 2012

Defren said:
I can't wait to spread a huge thick layer of butter on my home made low carb bread. What could be nicer!

Ribeye steak cooked in butter with some lovely fried portabello mushrooms for dinner tonight!! I guess I'm gonna burn in hell now for my wicked ways! oh well! :lol:

Defren · Jun 14, 2012

Paul1976 said:
Defren said:

I can't wait to spread a huge thick layer of butter on my home made low carb bread. What could be nicer!

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Ribeye steak cooked in butter with some lovely fried portabello mushrooms for dinner tonight!! I guess I'm gonna burn in hell now for my wicked ways! oh well! :lol:

Burn baby burn :lol:

I was in M&S yesterday in the food hall, and they had some amazing really well marbled ribeye. I was going to pick some up, but need to watch the calories until Sunday, then I can go crazy(ish). I am popping into town Saturday, so may pick up some ribeye for Tuesday, as I have a huge piece of smoked haddock with my name on it for Monday - yum!!

xyzzy · Jun 14, 2012

Paul1976 said:
Defren said:

I can't wait to spread a huge thick layer of butter on my home made low carb bread. What could be nicer!

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Ribeye steak cooked in butter with some lovely fried portabello mushrooms for dinner tonight!! I guess I'm gonna burn in hell now for my wicked ways! oh well! :lol:

You should have no problem with the butter Paul. Apparently ....

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/901989-junk-food-ingredient-may-be-cause-of-bowel-disease-research-finds

The discovery may explain why once rare immune disorders have become so common in the West over the past 50 years, study leader Professor Eugene Chang said.
He said this was the first mechanism that showed how western-style diets contributed to the rapid increase in IBD.
Tests carried out by the scientists have shown that milk fat – which is abundant in processed foods and confectionery – alters the composition of bacteria in the gut.

So it isn't supposed to be an anti-milk .... or an anti natural products derived from milk thing .... rather how those "milk-fats" have got into highly processed foods in high concentrations over the last 50 years and could be explaining the rise in things like IBS .... so rather like theories as to why the increase in highly processed carbohydrates maybe causing diabetes over a similar time frame .... Like all research of this nature you have to take a view on the risks you are taking.

Any theory that says milk or natural products derived from it are bad would have to account for why there has only been a recent increase as people have consumed things made from milk for thousands of years.

Poor mice wonder how fat they got ....

The amount of saturated fat given to the mice was similar to that in a typical western diet.

borofergie · Jun 14, 2012

xyzzy said:
The discovery may explain why once rare immune disorders have become so common in the West over the past 50 years, study leader Professor Eugene Chang said.
He said this was the first mechanism that showed how western-style diets contributed to the rapid increase in IBD.
Tests carried out by the scientists have shown that milk fat – which is abundant in processed foods and confectionery – alters the composition of bacteria in the gut.

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So it isn't supposed to be an anti-milk .... or an anti natural products derived from milk thing .... rather how those "milk-fats" have got into highly processed foods in high concentrations over the last 50 years and could be explaining the rise in things like IBS .... so rather like theories as to why the increase in highly processed carbohydrates maybe causing diabetes over a similar time frame .... Like all research of this nature you have to take a view on the risks you are taking.

Any theory that says milk or natural products derived from it are bad would have to account for why there has only been a recent increase as people have consumed things made from milk for thousands of years.

Would now be a good time to say that cows milk isn't Paleo. Especially if you're a mouse.

I don't eat many highly processed foods - apart from squirty cream.

Dillinger · Jun 14, 2012

I think the general levity in response to this post is uncalled for; I would remind all members who are genetically modified mice engineered to develop IBDs to avoid saturated milk fats AT ALL COSTS.

Best

Dillinger

borofergie · Jun 14, 2012

These dudes are in all sorts of trouble:

IanD · Jun 14, 2012

Does anyone remember the Goodies & Kitten Kong - & what happened at the very end of the programme?

viviennem · Jun 14, 2012

IanD said:
Does anyone remember the Goodies & Kitten Kong - & what happened at the very end of the programme?

My new motto - "Goody goody yum yummmm" . :lol:

In all fairness, we didn't start eating dairy products until we'd domesticated cows, sheep, goats, and horses (in some cultures) . . . say, 10,000 years ago, max. Many cultures don't drink fresh milk (eg Japan before Western culture interfered), but cheese and butter are widely eaten by cultures with domestic animals.

Remember too that milk was seasonal only until someone figured out how to make cows come into oestrus at any time, to ensure a continuous year-round milk supply. And started taking the calves off the mother and feeding them artifically so we could have all the milk. And invented refrigeration. Cheese and butter are only ways of preserving excess milk which would otherwise go off. Yoghurt is slightly 'off' excess milk, eaten widely from eastern Europe to India, which has just the right flora/fauna for our guts.

Sorry - someone pushed the "milk" button. I do go on! :lol:

Read Lark Rise to Candleford for some info on milk in the diet in rural late Victorian Oxfordshire.

I shan't worry until those 3 nice little smears I send off every 2 years or so bring me some bad news . . . . Poor postman! :lol:

Viv 8)

Grazer · Jun 15, 2012

Hey! What happened to the picture of the mice drinking milk in Borofergie's post? It was there yesterday, today it's just a cross.

xyzzy · Jun 15, 2012

Grazer said:
Hey! What happened to the picture of the mice drinking milk in Borofergie's post? It was there yesterday, today it's just a cross.

Yes it summed up by previous quote

The amount of saturated fat given to the mice was similar to that in a typical western diet.

quite nicely

noblehead · Jun 15, 2012

Paul1976 said:
Can only speak from my experience but until this year I always followed the whole 'All fats are the devils urine' advice but it didn't prevent me developing crohns disease in my teens,Bowel cancer aged 34 and diabetes aged 35.I also had a total cholesteral of 5.2 when i was on a/ low fat/high wholegrain diet and now I've thrown all the low fat **** out for natural foods and animal fats my total cholesteral is now 3.5 and I feel much better so i know what side my breads buttered.

It's interesting you say that Paul as I have a family member with UC, the dietary advice given is to limit fatty foods in the diet and avoid them altogether when in a flare-up

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