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How do u know your hoonymoon just started ?!

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Ok daft as it may seem - but what where you signals that u have entered the hoonymoon phase ?!
 
Honeymoon phase is usually already happening when you are diagnosed. Its different for everyone, and some don't have one at all.

Typically its just that your body is still producing some varying amounts of insulin. I would say you are in honeymoon if your carb ratios are very high, like 1 unit of insulin for 25g of carbs.. Its also erratic, so one week you are 1:25, the next week you are 1:15, and then back to 1:25.

Some theories say that if you are on your honeymoon you should be eating as low carb as possible, and doing everything you can to keep your sugars below 7.8mmol/L as high levels are toxic to beta cells and will shorten your honeymoon.

I have heard people being in honeymoon for years. Mine lasted just about a year I would say. Essentially if you are in Honeymoon, do everything you can to keep it! lol
 
Diamattic said:
Honeymoon phase is usually already happening when you are diagnosed. Its different for everyone, and some don't have one at all.

Typically its just that your body is still producing some varying amounts of insulin. I would say you are in honeymoon if your carb ratios are very high, like 1 unit of insulin for 25g of carbs.. Its also erratic, so one week you are 1:25, the next week you are 1:15, and then back to 1:25.

Some theories say that if you are on your honeymoon you should be eating as low carb as possible, and doing everything you can to keep your sugars below 7.8mmol/L as high levels are toxic to beta cells and will shorten your honeymoon.

I have heard people being in honeymoon for years. Mine lasted just about a year I would say. Essentially if you are in Honeymoon, do everything you can to keep it! lol
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Reason I ask is ... Been on fixed rate for last four months since told
Been no real issues u till last week when I colapsed for no real reason other then Bg dropped out
Now I thought sun and half a beer - as not drunk since xmass
But it happened a few times more
I now find I am not taking insulin for food
In last two days
I test blood b4 food
I keep it under 50grm carbs
Took the corect amount I been on for while
Hypo
Again next meal and again and again
Ten hypos in fact in last week ....
Now am putting it to fact I could have my hoonymoon now ! And that while taking what should be te right amount
But end up with hypos

However some good news
Just got an email ... I start DAFNE a week on Monday so have to have pre assessment tomorrow at noon
So can show em

But I just eat a load of chips
Beef - Mayo salary etc
When I tested before food I was 6.9
I have taken no insulin and it's been two an half hours
It's only at 9 so gone up 2 points but eat near 60grm of carbs

I just don't get it
 
hi grumpy :)

your post is the essence of honeymoon period -- levels can vary widely as your pancreas has a slow meltdown into obscurity but with intermittent bursts of hyperactivity.

the only real thing you can do on a daily basis is keep testing and either eat a bit extra if bloods dropping or inject a correction dose if bloods start to run too high

all the best sir !!
be well !!!!
 
Now after a bit of time and no insulin
Am at 6.9 again
I jut don't get this at all
Going bed and fed up
Is the ******* plank' dead or not
 
MrBloominggrumpy said:
Now I don't feel hypos .....till in 2s
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If that's the case then report this in to your consultant/DSN - one of the criteria for being accepted for a pump is little/no hypo awareness as it's considered dangerous, the only tip i've got for you is just keep testing every few hours and record your results, so you can see patterns.
 
ah....there could be a small issue with that @Juicyj dont have ether at the mo....am kinda a DIY diabetic at mo lol - but will let my GP know asap
 
Oh boy - that must be fun !! Bit like fumbling around in the dark.. hopefully once you report your next to nothing hypo awareness they will get you into a team asap - one thing i've learned with this condition is it helps to shout loudly when you need something, can't wait around for someone to call you, you have to be assertive and scream !!
 
Juicyj said:
Oh boy - that must be fun !! Bit like fumbling around in the dark.. hopefully once you report your next to nothing hypo awareness they will get you into a team asap - one thing i've learned with this condition is it helps to shout loudly when you need something, can't wait around for someone to call you, you have to be assertive and scream !!
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errrrr...ok will put hands up ......i told the D team to ...to....go forth and multiply by them self, after our last meeting!!
but i did not stop there .... i said to the head DNS...to def go and do this as am sure there is no barge pole big enough for any man to touch you......yer i know i know ...i cringe writing it, along with re-living it.....i will bake a cake an drop it in ...in 2020 when new staff are in :-/
 
I would suggest waiting for the dafne course.

An idea would be to do a basal test. I was told to keep 5 hours clear between eating and bolusing.

If you are going low without a bolus for eating... This would indicate that your basal insulin is too much.
 
You really need to do a basal test for the time periods when you have gone low.

I suspect your basal insulin doses are wrong.
 
donnellysdogs said:
I would suggest waiting for the dafne course.

An idea would be to do a basal test. I was told to keep 5 hours clear between eating and bolusing.

If you are going low without a bolus for eating... This would indicate that your basal insulin is too much.
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had been to go on that ...twice and both canx...have to wait up to 6 months for next one..... and the rest i don't really get what you saying ...new at this.....i take inslatard twice day 7units morning and night and nova rapid when i eat ... 5 times a day with Antibiotics at mo ....so can only have 170 carbs but have to break that in to 5 times a day at mo ....... and i thnkt he Antibio' are making me less able to feel it ... but could of been form the honey moon that i now dont feel them as well.
 
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Basal testing is when you go without food or any bolus.

Basics are of basal testing:

1) you need to get up in morning with levels between 5-8.0 bg.
2) give your normal basal insulin and then not eat for 5 hours and test yourself every hour to see what happens to your blood levels.

If you need to basal test for an afternoon... You would get up.do normal basal. Eat and bolus for breakfast but then nothing else for 10 hours. That would test your bolus ratio.. For those 5 hours initally for your breakfast and then all your food and bolus should be then clear for your 5 hours of basal testing where you would eat and bolus for having no food.

You must stop testing if you go low. You can still basal test up to a level of 10.0... At 10.0 you should give a correction dose of bolus and wait 5 clear hours to see how that correction dose pans out....

It. Is important that you test yoyrself every hour whilst basal testing.

You need to go online and register and complete the bdec course.

To be honest bad attitude towards healthcare persons is not acceptable...it would not be the DSN fault that your dafne course was cancelled twice or that it is now another 6 months to wait.
 
donnellysdogs said:
Basal testing is when you go without food or any bolus.

Basics are of basal testing:

1) you need to get up in morning with levels between 5-8.0 bg.
2) give your normal basal insulin and then not eat for 5 hours and test yourself every hour to see what happens to your blood levels.

If you need to basal test for an afternoon... You would get up.do normal basal. Eat and bolus for breakfast but then nothing else for 10 hours. That would test your bolus ratio.. For those 5 hours initally for your breakfast and then all your food and bolus should be then clear for your 5 hours of basal testing where you would eat and bolus for having no food.

You must stop testing if you go low. You can still basal test up to a level of 10.0... At 10.0 you should give a correction dose of bolus and wait 5 clear hours to see how that correction dose pans out....

It. Is important that you test yoyrself every hour whilst basal testing.

You need to go online and register and complete the bdec course.

To be honest bad attitude towards healthcare persons is not acceptable...it would not be the DSN fault that your dafne course was cancelled twice or that it is now another 6 months to wait.
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well all i can say to that ...is you don't know the full story nor that full facts -and apologies where done....... so like the group says try not to judge eh...in regards to basal - and bolus still no idea what you mean by that as not a term used with me nor when told i was T1
in regards to testing as you say .... i can not owing to meds i have to take 5 times a day and take with food ... so untill that is over with i can not do so ...
but the main question is why do this test your saying about ...as said not a phrase i have heard ...whats it for ,,,why stave your self ..for wot understanding

as for the "complete the bdec course"..... i have seen and reg for this....looked at it ....not the way i like to learn hence why DAFNE is the main one for me ...as face to face ..

but thank you for the suggestion as know loads who have liked that one....so good call ty
 
Ok.. So without basal testing there is one other rule to follow..

If your levels change horribly within 2-3 hours of eating and bolus'ing then your bolus is wrong.

Eating with food does not mean that your food has to be carb laden and needing endless injections....so you could still do basal testing......

There are foods such as a nice piece of ham with lettuce and a dollop of mayo that could go with a tablet and not need a bolus.. As carb free and would let you basal test.
 
You appear to be putting up barriers.... You need to break down these barriers and accept that there are always at least two ways of doing things....

If you need to eat for a tablet or medicine etc... It does not have to be a food that needs an injection... Ie bolys so you could basal test.

To live in a less mrbloomingrumpy diabetic world then you need to be able to accept change and moderation to food and to attitude....
 
@MrBloominggrumpy Basal insulin is also known as background insulin. If you're on multiple daily injections, it'll be your long acting insulin. Bolus insulin is the one you take before meals - the fast acting one that's just to cover what you eat.

Basal testing is a way to test if your background ie long acting insulin is at the right dose.
 
azure said:
@MrBloominggrumpy Basal insulin is also known as background insulin. If you're on multiple daily injections, it'll be your long acting insulin. Bolus insulin is the one you take before meals - the fast acting one that's just to cover what you eat.

Basal testing is a way to test if your background ie long acting insulin is at the right dose.
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AAHHHHHHH
GOT IT !!!!
So why not just say fast or slow ?!
Anyway ...
Thank you for clearing that up @auzre

See / why I need DAFNE - it's face to face and a better way to gage and learn
On here it's hard to get emotion and details to the point at times
So can miss things

Anyway ... So to see if slow one is at right amount ... And we do that for ?!?
Other than keeping organs going ?!
What I mean is- would this help my hypo awareness - doing this and if need be upping it ?!?
Would this test help me not drop loads each time - if again needs upping ?!
 
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