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How high is the High Fat of LCHF??

And some of you still seem confused over the difference in fats to be honest.
 
douglas99 said:
And some of you still seem confused over the difference in fats to be honest.
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I am not at all confused about the different fat. I am, however, confused about how you know what type of fat elevated your cholesterol level.
 
ghost_whistler said:
What do you hope to gain here? People are asking because they want to understand and yet you act coy and it just comes off badly
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What 'evidence' to my 'claims' would you like.
Because, I eat saturated fats, (And wiki is a good free guide to food that contains saturated fats for those that need to know were they come from in a diet) and my cholesterol goes up. I don't eat them, my cholesterol drops into numbers I like better. And better for me is within NHS guidelines. Cholesterol is measured by a procedure we're all aware off, there's not really a lot anyone can add to that.
I'm not a guru, I don't want to be retweeted, I'm not selling my book, I'm not promising to tell you something you already know, or something to make you feel good, if you buy through my paywall, I'm actually not hoping to gain anything at all from telling you what saturated fats do to my cholesterol. I really don't mind if people need to be convinced, I just won't interested in convincing then.
If you want to try for yourself, try, if you don't want to, don't.
 
Can members please stay on topic and be nice to each other, we are here to help each other..
 
From my experience and the results from many blood tests including hba1c, cholesterol, function tests, and eOGTT.
I have to stay away from polyunsaturated fats.

I know that this is a twist to the thread but having read up (again) about how certain fats react with my condition and from the list (Wikipedia) has come up with, it is not how much fat it is for me, but which foods I (have) to avoid.

But I have upped my protein fats more lately and maybe that's why my weight has plateaued!

But, don't we up are fats to balance what we don't get from carbs, essentially?
So, that because it is our own individual balance of protein, fats and carbs that dictates how we get a healthier future!
 
Lamont D said:
From my experience and the results from many blood tests including hba1c, cholesterol, function tests, and eOGTT.
I have to stay away from polyunsaturated fats.

I know that this is a twist to the thread but having read up (again) about how certain fats react with my condition and from the list (Wikipedia) has come up with, it is not how much fat it is for me, but which foods I (have) to avoid.

But I have upped my protein fats more lately and maybe that's why my weight has plateaued!

But, don't we up are fats to balance what we don't get from carbs, essentially?
So, that because it is our own individual balance of protein, fats and carbs that dictates how we get a healthier future!
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Couldn't agree more.
It is an individual balance.
(I'm on holiday this week, my diet would be giving many nightmares, and there is no way I would ever suggest anyone should eat the same as me at the moment)
 
Lamont D said:
From my experience and the results from many blood tests including hba1c, cholesterol, function tests, and eOGTT.
I have to stay away from polyunsaturated fats.

I know that this is a twist to the thread but having read up (again) about how certain fats react with my condition and from the list (Wikipedia) has come up with, it is not how much fat it is for me, but which foods I (have) to avoid.

But I have upped my protein fats more lately and maybe that's why my weight has plateaued!

But, don't we up are fats to balance what we don't get from carbs, essentially?
So, that because it is our own individual balance of protein, fats and carbs that dictates how we get a healthier future!
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What are protein fats?

How would you avoid polyunsaturats? Most food has a combination of sat, mono and poly.
 
douglas99 said:
What 'evidence' to my 'claims' would you like.
Because, I eat saturated fats, (And wiki is a good free guide to food that contains saturated fats for those that need to know were they come from in a diet) and my cholesterol goes up. I don't eat them, my cholesterol drops into numbers I like better. And better for me is within NHS guidelines. Cholesterol is measured by a procedure we're all aware off, there's not really a lot anyone can add to that.
I'm not a guru, I don't want to be retweeted, I'm not selling my book, I'm not promising to tell you something you already know, or something to make you feel good, if you buy through my paywall, I'm actually not hoping to gain anything at all from telling you what saturated fats do to my cholesterol. I really don't mind if people need to be convinced, I just won't interested in convincing then.
If you want to try for yourself, try, if you don't want to, don't.
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How much fat causes your cholesterol to be problematic and how do you know it is problematic?
 
ghost_whistler said:
What are protein fats?

How would you avoid polyunsaturats? Most food has a combination of sat, mono and poly.
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Protein fats are saturated fats mostly.
You avoid the high ones which coincide with high GI carbs.
The trick is if you reduce your carbs and don't cook in vegetable oils, you will avoid most high polyunsaturated fats.
No you can't avoid them totally, but it's the same as carbs, you can't go no carbs!
Hence the lower the better.

Low carb, low polyunsaturated, slows digestion as well, which is great for blood glucose levels.

Best wishes
 
ghost_whistler said:
What are protein fats?
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I call these fats those that are contained in foods normally eaten for the protein, such as meat, fish, eggs etc.


ghost_whistler said:
How would you avoid polyunsaturats? Most food has a combination of sat, mono and poly.
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You can't avoid them totally. The idea is to learn which products contain a suitable ratio of Omega 3 and Omega 6, and mono fats. The higher the omega 3 and the lower the omega 6 the better.
 
ghost_whistler said:
Fat, the million dollar question.

There seems to be a conflict in the low carb world over how much fat one should eat. People on both sides argue passionately to the point where you cannot ask questions without being seen as a disruptive influence. This is something I take great exception to, personally. It isn't helpful. I've heard people say that calories don't matter and that you should eat loads of fat, around 200g a day I've been told. I'm not sure how to actually do that without vastly increasing your protein or even carb intake. I couldn't stomach that much pure fat. Conversely others advocate the precise monitoring of macro intake and working with, usually a 20%, caloric deficit precisely because eating too much, essentially, puts on weight.

All i know is that in nearly five months I've barely lost weight, and haven't at all in 4. I've been stalled at 83kg (give or take a few grams). I have no idea why this is, and it has knocked my confidence. I would like to lose 20kg and not be overweight. If one can eat as much fat as one likes without gaining weight, then how do I explain my weight loss. And if caloric intake is irrelevant, what does it matter how much I eat surely?

I believe there's a lot of misinformation out there. The same goes for protein. People argue that too much is pretty negative as gluconuogenesis occurs and dumps a lot of glucose into the system, this also spikes insulin which can be a problem for some. This is also one of the reasons people evangelise about fasting - it improves insulin resistance allegedly. Again there are those who argue that protein is not a problem, or that it's only an issue when eaten at high amounts, such that most of us don't reasonably consume. Unfortunately I find that I feel fuller on meals with a lot of protein so I tend to around 100-120g protein a day with about the same in fats. I calculate a caloric intake between 13-1400 a day. That's a deficit surely, even for a relatively sedentary person like me, yet I'm not losing weight.

So I have no idea what the truth is about fat intake, but where can you turn for answers when the medical community still clings to the orthodoxy of low fat high carb?
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I have found I can lose lose weight if my diet comprises about 1250 calories LCHF, and about 1100 calories HCLF
I have succeded at both - so what are the differences for me?

LCHF
of which 60% are fats - from natural foods - olive oil, cheese, meat, avocados, coconut, nuts, seeds fatty fish, eggs - I don't worry about what is saturated and what isn't but I don't eat any refined oils. I limit my total carbs + protein to 100g and I try to keep carbs to under 30g.
Eating this amount of calories on LCHF also gives me around 100g of fats. and ratios of 60% fat, 20% carbs 20% protein.
I still have periods of stalling, - connected with not achieving the targets but I have never felt that I would " give up" altogether . I find it easy to eat two meals a day and not to snack inbetween. I'm in ketosis and I don't feel hungry, though do still now and again crave for some rice.

or HCLF
here about 10% fats, 30% protein and 60% carbs - in the form of masses of vegetables
on this diet, I need to eat less, and I need iron willpower because I am hugely hungry all the time, I snack on many more occasions all very low calorie as I try to deal with the hunger pangs .


I have lost 5 stone on both diets at different times.

HCLF gives me higher blood sugars, higher variability and bad lipid profile - and it also led me to put the weight back on after each diet.

For LCHF it gives me stable blood sugars - currently daily averages in the 5 range and no spike above 7.8 and ketones which average about 0.6 . it has also given me an ideal cholesterol profile . It is too soon to know if I will end up putting it back if my diet collapses - given it doesn't feel like I'm starving myself - then I have the sense that I "Might" be able to keep the weight off.

I think that where people go wrong on HCLF is thinking its high fat in absolute terms. For me its a high proportion of fat in a limited amount of total calories and as such its probably a lower per gram amount than not being on a diet at all.
 
Kristin251 said:
Not arguing at all but my tryglicerides are always in question and I eat extremely low carb.
Anyone know why this would be?

To add, my HDL is always high and all my ratios are ideal so not worrried in the least, just curious as to what else causes high tryglicerides
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My doctor said when I was found to have raised cholesterol that it can be hereditary that if our parents had high cholesterol the more chance of us having it. In my parents day they would not have known if they had high cholesterol or not as there was no tests for it
 
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