How highly would you recommend eating low carb?

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I think we are all trying to do our best , I always like to see the good in everyone , life is really to,short not to ...
What ever diet we choose we are at least trying ...
This is an awful battle with a diet we may choose to adapt and choose at different times of our lives ...
I congratulate us all for trying ....of course we all have our own views and experiences , but a large pat on the back for trying our best ..
Well,done to,us all i say ...we are all,passionate about our health ,we just all have different health needs ....
 
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............................LET YE WITHOUT A1c OVER 6% and good BMI, CAST THE FIRST STONE.....................[/USER]

Since you ask, I think us T2's should leave this post well alone, and let the T1's answer it.[/user]
 
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I agree with that why would anyone want to restrict their self to less carbs than they know they can eat ok there is no logic to that.
if you are eating them ok and you have no problems now or higher risk long term, there is no logic in changing. it's not compulsory or a religious calling.
do you think LCHF'ers just woke up one morning, had a scratch and said...Just for fun, I think I will change my whole way of eating that I have happily had for years and years?
 
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Poor @Cookiebell probably didn't expect to spark a massive debate lol.

Hope the advise isn't lost.

I don't understand why it's so controversial!?? It's a good way to manage for some ppl, and those who tried it say how great it is.

Health benefits - check
Saves the NHS money - check
Easier management - check

I for one love it. I love carby food and will still have it as a treat and bolus according. It may not be for everyone but I for one love it and it has changed my life! :)
 
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For me, going low carb has been the best decision ever. It has improved my T1 diabetes to a "normal" level. My insulin intake has decreased by a third and I have lost 6 stone in weight since starting the low carb eating in March. I have about 50g of carbs per day, 65g of protein per day and about 10g of fat. It has been the only "healthy eating" that has worked for me and I feel much better for doing it. I have also been able to get back into running because of the weight loss through low carb eating, so I would highly recommend this. :D
Great work, and brill advertisement for low carb! I'm new enough to the low carb way of eating but I love it so far: great bg control, more stable mood, and much less hunger all in all! Can I ask you what you tend to eat on a typical day? And was the weight loss mainly due to diet/ exercise r a bit of both? 6 stone is phenomenal ✋
 
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if you are eating them ok and you have no problems now or higher risk long term, there is no logic in changing. it's not compulsory or a religious calling.
do you think LCHF'ers just woke up one morning, had a scratch and said...Just for fun, I think I will change my whole way of eating that I have happily had for years and years?


Yes mate,
way way better than yours from your sig. (Guessing you're about where I started from?)
A low fat diet, lost the weight, in fact didn't like it too skinny, lots of exercise, good muscle tone, lost a lot of insulin resistance, cut the meds, and tolerate carbs quite well thanks for asking. Actually due a review to cuts the meds again shortly.
But like I said, I'm T2, so wouldn't be commenting on what a T1 should be doing.
 
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I think we are all trying to do our best , I always like to see the good in everyone , life is really to,short not to ...
What ever diet we choose we are at least trying ...
This is an awful battle with a diet we may choose to adapt and choose at different times of our lives ...
I congratulate us all for trying ....of course we all have our own views and experiences , but a large pat on the back for trying our best ..
Well,done to,us all i say ...we are all,passionate about our health ,we just all have different health needs ....

We may have bodies that respond slightly differently, we may have different combinations of health problems, we may have different lifestyles which means that we respond to what diabetes does to us in different ways. I don't think that means that we have different health NEEDS, or that all of us can't benefit from reducing carbs. And I don't see any point in just telling everyone that they are marvellous and we are all doing our best. I don't manage under 50g of carbs most days-- I know that when I do I get better BGs. I adapt the low carb message to what I think is feasible given the way I live my life. That doesn't mean that I resent being told that I could be doing better, or that I don't admire what people are doing on more rigorously low- carb diets. I don't think that means I am doing my best. I actually think it is very useful to be nagged by low-carbers on what I should be trying to do. A complacent message that whatever I am doing is OK is no use to me if it is not actually true -- I need to know that I could do better, and I for one don't see it as a threat or an indignity to be told that. Why deprive people of the knowledge that they could and should be doing better?
 
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For me, going low carb has been the best decision ever. It has improved my T1 diabetes to a "normal" level. My insulin intake has decreased by a third and I have lost 6 stone in weight since starting the low carb eating in March. I have about 50g of carbs per day, 65g of protein per day and about 10g of fat. It has been the only "healthy eating" that has worked for me and I feel much better for doing it. I have also been able to get back into running because of the weight loss through low carb eating, so I would highly recommend this. :D
That sounds more like severe starvation than a sustainable low carb diet though.
 
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Well since the first test after diagnosis I have never had an HbA1c above 6% so it appears that according to an earlier post that I am allowed a say.
Actually I don't think that is a valid test and belies many problems which some T1s have and that may result in higher glucose levels. I'm lucky, I think my alpha cells and counter regulatory system works well still .
Hypo unawareness which may result from a non working counter regulatory system means you can't keep your levels too low. The effects of a serious hypo can be more immediately deadly or damaging to the brain than possible complications in the future.

This is me,
I've just come back from a walk, it was about 10km , moderately hilly. I ate 40g carb at lunch with a smallish bolus (2.6U). Just before the walk I reduced my basal to 0.1u an hour, I didn't test after but sensed that I needed to take some glucose (just one tablet) at about 4km and again at 6km . Finished the walk with a blood glucose of 73mg/dl (4.05mmol/l) As far as I'm concerned that worked well for me.

I want to eat a diet that gives me enough energy to enjoy the things I like to do but also since I'm old enough not to need large numbers of calories to give me all the nutrients I need. Food has to be nutrient dense otherwise I'm just eating empty calories.
High sugar foods are empty calories, likewise lots of fat. The nutrient profile of coconut oil, or even butter which is better, show that they have a lot of calories but few nutrients.. Take coconut oil one of the low carb favourites , it has miniscule amounts of Vit K and E, absolutely nothing else in the way of vitamins and minerals and not much in respect to essential fatty acids. Fine as a trace in a pan for cooking but by the tablespoon full, as a food?

I prefer a diet that as well as some meat and fish includes lots of vegetables, fruit, dairy produce and even those dastardly real whole grains and also legumes.(the latter brilliant for non meat meals) I think that they add up to far more varied and nutritious diet than one that may restrict many of these foods .
( of course depends on your definition as to what is a low carb diet;)

More carbs, more insulin ? Firstly, should I actually worry about that since I'm actually replacing a natural hormone? Perhaps, but it really depends on how much we are talking about.
As Nigel says lowering carbs doesn't necessarily result in lower insulin needs. An egg and bacon breakfast will for me need as much insulin as a bowl of porridge with berries and almonds.
Most authorities suggest that complete replacement of insulin normally requires 0.5u per Kg - 1 u per kg per day Well I take under 0.4 per kg . it's risen as my own insulin (as a LADA) has reduced but it is certainly not high

If you need larger amounts than normal then it suggests insulin resistance. Hopefully that can be reduced by losing weight.

My insulin resistance did rise, as did my weight when my thyroid was out of synch. so my insulin needs rose marginally. Once that was under control by taking another 'medication' thyroxine ( another hormone which I am grateful that I can replace )
I found that by watching the calories quite carefully and keeping active I was able to lose the weight I had gained. I measured exactly what I ate and how much I moved with a pedometer + for exercise a heart rate monitor. This enabled me to eat at a calorie deficit and lose weight.


From my own experience, I say eat a diet that contains the right amount of calories and carbs to reflect your activity level. I woud recommend real foods with minimal processing. . Leave more processed foods for the odd occasions such as social situations , times where it's junk or nothing or where you have used or will use so many calories that calorie replacement is the most important thing .
 
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I take your point, but I think we will agree to disagree
I think if we do a head count, there are more T1 with healthy plate on here having trouble with insulin doses. a lot of T1 advice is how to do a basic basal test and sickday

I recall telling a couple about TAG total available glucose, heathenlass and one other comes to mind, with spiker and richard advising LCHF successfully
I recall you advising on split doses for some people as examples
tag, split dose, delayed or early dose can be called advanced management and is learnt along the way, it in now way negates its use because it's something else to learn


Well we can agree to disagree but unsure what we are disagreeing about, almost all of us recommend some carb reduction in a diabetic diet., that has always been the case in the 6 years that I've been a member of the forum

Total Available Glucose has been mentioned on the forum for some time now and it was Phoenix that first brought it to everyone's attention when discussing low-carb diets and insulin dosing, the instruments used to get the bolus dose right to prevent postprandial highs and low's vary from person to person and much depend on the meal that is being eaten, research is ongoing on how dietary fat effects bg control and the outcome will be welcome when they can ascertain how to bolus for it correctly.

As said earlier some do manage to follow a very low-carb successfully and others manage equally successfully following a more moderate approach which allows some carbs to be eaten, there isn't a right or a wrong way and the best way to approach low-carbing from a type 1 perspective is to lower your carb intake to a level that produces the goods, meaning good overall bg levels and a diet that you can stick to in the long-term.
 
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Yep I recommend it, after doing it the majority of 51 years (just cos that was how I was fed as a kid) and T1 for 30+ and no complications.. That's what matters...my only complication was not eating enough fat which gave me painful muscles from the statins....now more fat and back to being a healthy bunny...
 
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@noblehead we have disagreed about carb craving and it's almost addictiveness, drug like to some people, even non diabetics.

yes I first heard of TAG here, when I was asking a person about why he bolus for carb protein and fat, I had only heard of carb and protein till then.
I went onto google to search it, the guys on insulin pumps get right into TAG and there are groups who pump and MDI TAG
it seem particularly useful for LCHF diets
 

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@noblehead we have disagreed about carb craving and it's almost addictiveness, drug like to some people, even non diabetics.

yes I first heard of TAG here, when I was asking a person about why he bolus for carb protein and fat, I had only heard of carb and protein till then.
I went onto google to search it, the guys on insulin pumps get right into TAG and there are groups who pump and MDI TAG

Your not telling me anything I didn't know already Jack, I've been a type 1 for 33 years and have tried a very low-carb diet when I first came to the forum, I'm well aware of the techniques required to bolus for carbs, protein & fat :)

Carb craving is real, some find it easy to overcome and others not so easy, but from a type 1 perspective (the OP has asked the question in the type 1 section) there is scope to include some carbs, even if they are root veggies and still get good bg readings, but then that is based on individual experiences.
 
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We may have bodies that respond slightly differently, we may have different combinations of health problems, we may have different lifestyles which means that we respond to what diabetes does to us in different ways. I don't think that means that we have different health NEEDS, or that all of us can't benefit from reducing carbs. And I don't see any point in just telling everyone that they are marvellous and we are all doing our best. I don't manage under 50g of carbs most days-- I know that when I do I get better BGs. I adapt the low carb message to what I think is feasible given the way I live my life. That doesn't mean that I resent being told that I could be doing better, or that I don't admire what people are doing on more rigorously low- carb diets. I don't think that means I am doing my best. I actually think it is very useful to be nagged by low-carbers on what I should be trying to do. A complacent message that whatever I am doing is OK is no use to me if it is not actually true -- I need to know that I could do better, and I for one don't see it as a threat or an indignity to be told that. Why deprive people of the knowledge that they could and should be doing better?
I really don't see how we can all have the same health needs ....
 

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I did not actually answer the question, but I just answered it on another thread.

Lo carbing is wishy-washy and totally dependent on the patients diligence so I only recommend it to anyone with enough guts and determination to do it consistently

If anyone has not got the guts and determination they should line up for max meds it is their best chance of survival.
 
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I did not actually answer the question, but I just answered it on another thread.

Lo carbing is wishy-washy and totally dependent on the patients diligence so I only recommend it to anyone with enough guts and determination to do it consistently

If anyone has not got the guts and determination they should line up for max meds it is their best chance of survival.
I was diagnosed T2 and found the diet recommended did absolutely nothing! Since then I have had my prognosis and symptoms recognised and found that my only way to a reasonably healthy and fitter life was very low carb which I educated myself and also recommended by a specialist endocrinologist.
The so called wushy washy life style diet that has a lower carb intake has to be better than what's made the majority be T2 diabetic in the first place.
I would recommend a low carb diet to everyone not just diabetics. Modern food production is so unhealthy!
Sugar and carbs ARE poison to me, learn from someone who is eating rabbit food every day because I have no choice!
The whole health system is in meltdown unless we tackle our food production.
Oh! By the by! I have lost more weight in the past six months than I have in sixteen previous years trying the NICE 'healthy' diet!
No one has mentioned saturated fats.
On all cereals low in saturated fats is supposed to be healthy
Wrong!

Recommended to me by my specialist dietician. Eat more saturated fats and stay away from monosaturated and polyunsaturated fats because these cause visceral fat to inhabit the endocrine system. I had a fatty liver for over fifteen years. Since low carbing, no more fatty liver!
The evidence and proof of a healthier and better lifestyle and a less dependency on drugs can give you a happier and longer life.
I have learned the hard way. My George Foreman grill went in the bin this week.
And I am not diabetic and I am fitter and healthier than I have been for twenty years. All because of very low carbing!

Apologies to T1 ers. This was meant for T2 ers.
 
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Well I find it very hard to disagree with the middle ground position put forward by @noblehead and to a slightly lesser extent @phoenix, and I am a foaming at the mouth zealous low carb advocate.

Yes, lower your carbs where you can, but only to a level that is long term sustainable. And no need to fanatically drive out every last carb - the law of diminishing returns kicks in.
 
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I'd love to try out the low carb diet, is it suitable for someone with intermittent gastroparesis with no gall bladder? Wondering if it would improve the spikes and lows which can occur with this.

At the minute my carb intake is about 90g per day, which seems to be double what Is recommended. I don't need a lot of calories due to restricted activity these days.