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How much is too much? SUGAR

Bobby105

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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I recently saw that adults can have 90g sugar per day. Not for diabetics tho.? Are there any guidelines for diabetic, type 2 s.
The only tip I was given was 5g per 100g. Which i took to mean on food labels in store. No info given on whether this was per meal,; per 100 of a meal , per day
Or is it avoid all where poss. ?
 
@Bobby105 we don't need any sugar at all - we can live without it, starches too.
I set my personal limit at 10% for those foods which do contain carbohydrate - which means that I have a wide range of options, but I am perfectly happy to eat a salmon salad or to have steak, onion and mushrooms as my first meal of the day. For some time now I have been eating at 12 hourly intervals as I am not hungry.
When I was ill with Covid I had several days when there was nothing for me to eat but a large chicken - I have a very large freezer so I rarely see the bottom of it but I did this year. I went out shopping and caught flu - I think I felt worse with the flu and well stocked shelves than with Covid and just chicken.
 
90g?!?! That's way too much per day let alone per meal. Definitely not safe. That will destroy your liver and kidneys.

For the general population, the WHO says ideally less than 5% of calories from sugar and no more than 10% of calories from sugar per day - so on a 2K calories per day diet that's 25g and 50g.

If you are looking for the amount for optimal health, then it's probably zero. Definitely the less, the better.

Cutting out sugar completely (including natural sugars in fruits) also has the benefit of taming your sweet tooth, if you have one.
 
90g?!?! That's way too much per day let alone per meal. Definitely not safe. That will destroy your liver and kidneys.

For the general population, the WHO says ideally less than 5% of calories from sugar and no more than 10% of calories from sugar per day - so on a 2K calories per day diet that's 25g and 50g.

If you are looking for the amount for optimal health, then it's probably zero. Definitely the less, the better.

Cutting out sugar completely (including natural sugars in fruits) also has the benefit of taming your sweet tooth, if you
@ NoCrbs4Me EASY TO DIGEST THIS info/ i WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ADVICE AS MY INSULIN INTAKE CAN PRODUCE READINGS OF 3.3 AND EVEN 2.6. (Im also tryig to push my weight up to 8 stone / 50Kg )
But yes Im discovering i have a sweet tooth
 
i WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ADVICE AS MY INSULIN INTAKE CAN PRODUCE READINGS OF 3.3 AND EVEN 2.6.
You definitely need sugar/glucose when having a low, always treat immediately!

You may want to update your profile info to say you're on insulin, that's essential information when replying to questions.
 
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I'm updating my signature.. I mentioned Levemir but maybe folk wouldnt know thats Insulin. Is the proofile different?
Yes I treat a low with 4 jelly babies or a small, can of Appletise. I always carry jelly babes with me , plus Appletise in the car beside the bed and in the fridge. A fingerprick is taken 10 mins after treating, then again 30miins after , if glucose has risen sufficiently I eat a longer lasting carbohydrate.
What i find a little strange about a no sugar at all diet is that I was told glucose is vital for our vital organs which is why a low is so dangerous to the body. But that conflicts with a no glucose diet? Meaning we all need some glucose from carbs or glucose products
Maybe I misunderstood
 
I'm updating my signature.. I mentioned Levemir but maybe folk wouldnt know thats Insulin. Is the proofile different?
Yes I treat a low with 4 jelly babies or a small, can of Appletise. I always carry jelly babes with me , plus Appletise in the car beside the bed and in the fridge. A fingerprick is taken 10 mins after treating, then again 30miins after , if glucose has risen sufficiently I eat a longer lasting carbohydrate.
What i find a little strange about a no sugar at all diet is that I was told glucose is vital for our vital organs which is why a low is so dangerous to the body. But that conflicts with a no glucose diet? Meaning we all need some glucose from carbs or glucose products
Maybe I misunderstood
You misunderstood. Although Glucose is needed for certain parts of the brain, when glucose is low (for the majority of Type 2 diabetics as well as for non-diabetics) the body can produce sufficient glucose from Fat and Protein. If you were not needing to take insulin, then the most glucose you would need for brain functions is around 130gm - the rest of the body can run fine on ketones. Also, all digestible starches eaten quickly turn into glucose - highly refined ones even do so while still in the mouth (if you chew your food).

Many of us Type 2 diabetics, and certainly most of us who are in remission consume less than 130gm of carbs per day (much less of actual sugars). I have been in remission for well over 5 yrs and have been eating very low carb/keto for over 6yrs. I eat between 20gm and 40gm of carbs per day, and rarely use and added sugar at all. The exceptions are when I eat some berries, or some slightly sweet vegetable (carrots and parsnips are too sweet for me) or have a few squares black chocolate (95% Lindt or similar).
 
Glucose is sugar, but not all sugar is glucose - "sugar” is a category and glucose is one member. Others sugars are fructose, galactose, sucrose (aka table sugar = glucose + fructose), and lactose (milk sugar = glucose + galactose).

Glucose is a simple sugar (a monosaccharide): C₆H₁₂O₆. One of the most basic carbohydrate molecules. It's form of sugar that your bloodstream carries and your cells use for energy. In blood tests, when people say “blood sugar”, they are referring specifically to blood glucose. Starch consists of chains of glucose molecules that break down into individual glucose molecules.

Generally when people talk about dietary sugar they are referring to table sugar. The fructose part of table sugar doesn't raise blood glucose directly and doesn't trigger much insulin and isn't used by your cells for energy directly. It travels straight to the liver. The liver converts fructose mostly into fat as well as glucose, glycogen, and lactate. Larger amounts of fructose contribute to getting a fatty liver - extremely bad for your health.

When people talk about a no sugar diet (or very low sugar diet) the sugar they are talking about is table sugar - they usually do not mean a glucose free diet. The major health benefit of restricting table sugar is that it reducing fructose exposure to your liver, with a side benefit of not spiking your blood glucose levels with the glucose.

You are correct that your body needs glucose: red blood cells, parts of the brain, kidneys, and the retina all need glucose. So how do people who are fasting for multiple days or who don't eat any carbs survive? Fortunately your body can make glucose with a metabolic process called gluconeogenesis (“making new glucose”) that happens mostly in the liver (and a bit in the kidneys) from non-carbohydrate sources - mostly protein and fat (from food or your own body if you're fasting).

For people who consume no carbs or very small amounts of carbs, the parts of your body that don't absolutely require glucose switch to fat and ketones. The body adjusts with most organs burning fatty acids and the brain starts running on ketones, reducing glucose requirements by about half. This spares muscle from being used for glucogenesis, because the brain no longer needs 120 g/day of glucose — it might need only ~40–60 g/day.

Of course, someone with type 1 diabetes needs to manage their insulin use carefully if they reduce their carb/sugar intake to avoid their blood glucose going too low. There are glucose only (no fructose) products that you can use to raise your blood glucose - tablets, gels, powders, and drink mixes. Often called “Dextrose”, which is just the food/medical industry name for pure glucose.
 
I'm updating my signature.. I mentioned Levemir but maybe folk wouldnt know thats Insulin. Is the proofile different?
Yes I treat a low with 4 jelly babies or a small, can of Appletise. I always carry jelly babes with me , plus Appletise in the car beside the bed and in the fridge. A fingerprick is taken 10 mins after treating, then again 30miins after , if glucose has risen sufficiently I eat a longer lasting carbohydrate.
What i find a little strange about a no sugar at all diet is that I was told glucose is vital for our vital organs which is why a low is so dangerous to the body. But that conflicts with a no glucose diet? Meaning we all need some glucose from carbs or glucose products
Maybe I misunderstood
A low is dangerous when the person is using insulin and always needs treating and checking. The problem arises when more insulin than is required is administered. Not anyone's fault, so many things affect BGs that even when having the same meals and exercise and insulin each day sometimes the BG rises or dips unexpectedly....stress, illness etc. So the sugar in your case (and anyone using insulin) is necessary as an antidote to too much insulin causing low blood sugars. That's different to a standard T2 on diet only whose liver will usually help out when BGs become low.
 
I'm updating my signature.. I mentioned Levemir but maybe folk wouldnt know thats Insulin. Is the proofile different?
Yes I treat a low with 4 jelly babies or a small, can of Appletise. I always carry jelly babes with me , plus Appletise in the car beside the bed and in the fridge. A fingerprick is taken 10 mins after treating, then again 30miins after , if glucose has risen sufficiently I eat a longer lasting carbohydrate.
What i find a little strange about a no sugar at all diet is that I was told glucose is vital for our vital organs which is why a low is so dangerous to the body. But that conflicts with a no glucose diet? Meaning we all need some glucose from carbs or glucose products
Maybe I misunderstood
Your signature is showing 'type 2' and treatment is 'other' so possibly misleading is a bit of an understatement.
My intake of any kind of sugar is low - at the moment it is one medium apple a day and that comprises most of my 'allowance' of carbs.
We do not need any carbs in our diet - fats and protein are essential, but not carbs - having survived four days on a dozen eggs in order to cover the mortgage payment and household bills and feed the cat I feel certain that is the case.
However - if you are using insulin then the normal biology is overruled and you need to act according to the consequences.
 
I'm updating my signature.. I mentioned Levemir but maybe folk wouldnt know thats Insulin. Is the proofile different?
If you click on yor name at the top right on your screen (I'm on a PC but on a phone it should be pretty close, don't use the app), choose 'account details', not 'signature'.

Updating your signature (which is shown below all your posts) is very useful, but the main account details like type of diabetes and treatment type (insulin, tablets, diet only etc) is shown directly below your avatar, the first thing I look at when replying to posts.

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What i find a little strange about a no sugar at all diet is that I was told glucose is vital for our vital organs which is why a low is so dangerous to the body. But that conflicts with a no glucose diet?
The liver produces glucose 24/7.
Which is why those of us who don't produce any insulin need a basal or background insulin even if we don't eat.
The glucose produced by the liver is sufficient, we don't need additional glucose (either from sugar or from other carbs, all carbs turn to glucose in the body).

Of course, when on medication that can cause a hypo, we need glucose to treat or prevent a hypo, even though our livers help out as well by dumping more glucose on an as need basis.
 
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Glucose is sugar, but not all sugar is glucose - "sugar” is a category and glucose is one member. Others sugars are fructose, galactose, sucrose (aka table sugar = glucose + fructose), and lactose (milk sugar = glucose + galactose).

Glucose is a simple sugar (a monosaccharide): C₆H₁₂O₆. One of the most basic carbohydrate molecules. It's form of sugar that your bloodstream carries and your cells use for energy. In blood tests, when people say “blood sugar”, they are referring specifically to blood glucose. Starch consists of chains of glucose molecules that break down into individual glucose molecules.

Generally when people talk about dietary sugar they are referring to table sugar. The fructose part of table sugar doesn't raise blood glucose directly and doesn't trigger much insulin and isn't used by your cells for energy directly. It travels straight to the liver. The liver converts fructose mostly into fat as well as glucose, glycogen, and lactate. Larger amounts of fructose contribute to getting a fatty liver - extremely bad for your health.

When people talk about a no sugar diet (or very low sugar diet) the sugar they are talking about is table sugar - they usually do not mean a glucose free diet. The major health benefit of restricting table sugar is that it reducing fructose exposure to your liver, with a side benefit of not spiking your blood glucose levels with the glucose.

You are correct that your body needs glucose: red blood cells, parts of the brain, kidneys, and the retina all need glucose. So how do people who are fasting for multiple days or who don't eat any carbs survive? Fortunately your body can make glucose with a metabolic process called gluconeogenesis (“making new glucose”) that happens mostly in the liver (and a bit in the kidneys) from non-carbohydrate sources - mostly protein and fat (from food or your own body if you're fasting).

For people who consume no carbs or very small amounts of carbs, the parts of your body that don't absolutely require glucose switch to fat and ketones. The body adjusts with most organs burning fatty acids and the brain starts running on ketones, reducing glucose requirements by about half. This spares muscle from being used for glucogenesis, because the brain no longer needs 120 g/day of glucose — it might need only ~40–60 g/day.

Of course, someone with type 1 diabetes needs to manage their insulin use carefully if they reduce their carb/sugar intake to avoid their blood glucose going too low. There are glucose only (no fructose) products that you can use to raise your blood glucose - tablets, gels, powders, and drink mixes. Often called “Dextrose”, which is just the food/medical industry name for pure glucose.
@NoCrbs4Me I have never heard any of this. Thee nurse i first met thought I was Lada but didnt tell me what to do if anything. She told me to join a group , one which had closed and never opened again. I employed a dietician . I was given insulin once a day.. The former nurse disappeared last year . Now Ive asked the new diabetes lead for a discussion. My GP allows me higher readings than the norm because my weight is so low carbs need to be kept higher to keep my weight steady. Ill ask the new diabetic lead whether he agrees or whether he offers a ddiffernt regime Thanks agian for the info
 
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