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Wonderful news

Since 7 November when my GP reacted to a BG reading of 7.72 (139) and put my straight onto Eucreas (at half dose), missing out diet changes and metformin on its own, (after ignoring high readings for four years) and then said "come back and see me in a year", I have been very good.

I have decided to try the diet route first with a BG test after a month (NOT a year which the GP planned) and have bought an exercise bike as well.

Since 7/11 I have not added any sugar at all. All forms of bread have been dropped (except Ryvita) as well as Rice ,pasta, pastry (and cakes) and potatoes. And ready made sauces. All totally deleted. And parsnips and beetroot from which I was firmly warned off.

I am so virtuous I can read a book in bed at night by the light shining off my halo.

So what is wonderful? I've found the recipe pages on the Diabetes UK website. YIPPEE !!

So I CAN eat bread, potatoes, rice, pastry, pasta after all. Why do so many websites in the UK and USA try to scare the hell out of me? I began to fear even picking up a loaf of white bread in a shop in case I go blind or my feet fall off.

I feel manipulated and lied to by the gigantic international Diabetes industry.

From my GP to almost everything I've read in the last 18 days it all seems to me to get shakier and shakier, less scientific,more guesswork, more voodoo science more alarmist and more money grubbing to sell me test strips and approved foods. Bah Humbug.

Let me be clear--I keep returning to this forum for the views and experiences of others. This forum is a haven of sincerity for me. Some of the posts on here have made me cry. I can't believe I've written that but it's true.
I feel a little better for that rant. But if you don't I'm very sorry.
 
That's great news! It's probably worth noting though, that different people do react differently to certain foods.

Thankfully though, if carbohydrates are your achilles heel, there's plenty of great low carb alternatives out there so people won't have to miss out on their cakes and pasta. We've even got a series of cookbooks available on DCUK that have a ton of low carb alternatives (we're even working on a dessert one! and having tasted most of them, i can safely say they're nicer than the real thing)
 
TuTusweet said:
I am so virtuous I can read a book in bed at night by the light shining off my halo.

So what is wonderful? I've found the recipe pages on the Diabetes UK website. YIPPEE !!
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You need to be careful because a lot of that is aimed at type 1 diabetics who inject insulin. A type 2 relying on diet and exercise alone can't take as much.

What you can do though is start with smaller portions of brown rice, rye bread and wholewheat pasta. Small portions to begin with to be safe, test after 2 hours and see. With your exercise regime and avoiding the perils hidden in packages and tins, you will probably see a great improvement.
 
Well do e on being so self controlled,but yes you don't need to totally abstained from such foods, but good self control is extremely important, I unfortunately didn't head the warnings and am paying the price, stick with this site it's brilliant !
 
Would you like to clarify who you think 'manipulated' you, and who you think gave you the wrong dietary advice and why?
 
equipoise said:
Would you like to clarify who you think 'manipulated' you, and who you think gave you the wrong dietary advice and why?
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I'd be very interested to know too as it sounds to me like a low carb diet is being compared to 'Voodoo'. :thumbdown:
 
TuTusweet said:
Wonderful news

So what is wonderful? I've found the recipe pages on the Diabetes UK website. YIPPEE !!

So I CAN eat bread, potatoes, rice, pastry, pasta after all.
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Merry Christmas :shock:

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So what is wonderful? I've found the recipe pages on the Diabetes UK website. YIPPEE !!

So I CAN eat bread, potatoes, rice, pastry, pasta after all. Why do so many websites in the UK and USA try to scare the hell out of me? I began to fear even picking up a loaf of white bread in a shop in case I go blind or my feet fall off.

I feel manipulated and lied to by the gigantic international Diabetes industry.

From my GP to almost everything I've read in the last 18 days it all seems to me to get shakier and shakier, less scientific,more guesswork, more voodoo science more alarmist and more money grubbing to sell me test strips and approved foods. Bah Humbug.
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Sorry, TuTusweet, but DUK are NOT a good source of info for T2s.

I was diagnosed in 2000, given the DUK high carb diet (medium GI). I was also told even if I followed it, diab would progress.
It did, causuing debilitating complications.
5 years ago I started on low carb (thanks to this forum)
I am now free of all complications.
Don't trust DUK diet info.
 
Can I clarify who manipulated me ?
Of course not !!
I've googled diets for diabetes and got offered 104,000,000 hits. I've spent about 2 hours a night reading ,reading,reading to try to find out all I can. Just about everything anyone firmly states on their website is contradicted within ten minutes on another website.

One site told me parsnips and carrots were shockers and must be avoided--with ten minutes I was reading how wonderful they are because of their fibre. Make up your stupid minds !!!
If you don't like manipulated try messed about ---and it is not just well meaning amateurs.
My HA1C was 7.4 %. My GP drew a circle round it to emphasise it. The local hospital lab has a top limit of 6%
The US Dept of health says try to keep it below 7 and see your doctor if over 8. My local hospital uses American equipment so I assume (dangerous) they are speaking the same language.

American sites do seem product orientated. Which I instinctively resist. It seems to me every single person has a pancreas which works differently and will finally pack up one day because of its "sell by" date. Hopefully the sell by date on mine is five years after I'm dead. Of something else.

If you are expecting me to name sites (what !!!! after the hundreds I've looked at ?) that is completely missing the point --it is the general drift of the contradictory information that messes me about that annoys me. Are Parsnips good or bad ?


I'm off now. I certainly don't want an argument and need to find info tonight on alcohol ---because one thing is certain. At Christmas I shall damage a few bottles of Merlot and totally destroy some M&S mince pies. To hell with it.

Many many thanks for all your responses.
 
"Are Parsnips good or bad ?"

Bad for diabetics IMO...My meter say's NO way and if I read a contradictory statement on a website that told me otherwise I would have no turmoil about it as it wouldn't change my mind one IOTA as I know they're very carby and bad for MY levels.
 
The reason why the websites are so contradictory, is because diabetes is contradictory. What works for some doesn't work for others because we are all in different stages of the disease. Some tout low carb, some tout high fibre. They all have good reasons behind it, but no one single diet is perfect for every single diabetic.
The only surefire way of knowing what you can and can't eat is to eat it, then test your levels 2 hours later.

No one has manipulated or messed you around... it's just the lack of hard and fast rules with diabetes.
 
I'm much the same as you, op.
I spent a lot of time testing each food when I was first diagnosed. And I know what works for me doesn't work for others, and vice versa. The only advice I'll ever give is eat healthier.
Healthier is always going to be an improvement over white pasta, potatoes and white rice for example. Low Gi is always going to be better than high GI.
So that advice is always a good first step.
And probably why the NHS give it, it's never going to be universally wrong.
After that you need to look at where the rest of the advice comes from, and make up your own mind on the next step.
It took me about 18 months to work out the diet for me.
 
To tutusweat. Like your style.like you there is so much contradicting advice.low carbs or none at all. The brain needs carbs to feed on. I have two slices of bread and a pint of beer a day any other carbs comfro m porrage for breakfast excellent in keeping colesterol under. Control. Hba1c. 7.5 moaned to my doctor about level she said my hba1c was under control and congratulated me under the circumstancres.I am going potty with alsorts of advice.or is my doctor wrong. Help who do I go to for advice.

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We are all individuals. One has to find out for oneself what one can eat or not.... We all have different metabolisms, lifestyles etc. like said.. Type 1's can be less restricted as we just balance our insulin we take with the food we eat. Type 2's need to be more specific to find out what generates spikes and high levels from the foods they eat.

There is no right or wrong in this world of diabetes.. No one has the answer for millions of people with this disease around the world..

However, when considering what advice on carbs to belueve.. Think on why there is so much diabetes around... Is it the fact that sugar and carbs are so hugely part of our living nowadays, is it because we no longer know what a true portion size looks like? When I think of all this.. I know I am doing right by doing everything in moderation....
 
TuTusweet said:
Can I clarify who manipulated me ?
Of course not !!
I've googled diets for diabetes and got offered 104,000,000 hits. I've spent about 2 hours a night reading ,reading,reading to try to find out all I can. Just about everything anyone firmly states on their website is contradicted within ten minutes on another website.

One site told me parsnips and carrots were shockers and must be avoided--with ten minutes I was reading how wonderful they are because of their fibre. Make up your stupid minds !!!
If you don't like manipulated try messed about ---and it is not just well meaning amateurs.
My HA1C was 7.4 %. My GP drew a circle round it to emphasise it. The local hospital lab has a top limit of 6%
The US Dept of health says try to keep it below 7 and see your doctor if over 8. My local hospital uses American equipment so I assume (dangerous) they are speaking the same language.

American sites do seem product orientated. Which I instinctively resist. It seems to me every single person has a pancreas which works differently and will finally pack up one day because of its "sell by" date. Hopefully the sell by date on mine is five years after I'm dead. Of something else.

If you are expecting me to name sites (what !!!! after the hundreds I've looked at ?) that is completely missing the point --it is the general drift of the contradictory information that messes me about that annoys me. Are Parsnips good or bad ?


I'm off now. I certainly don't want an argument and need to find info tonight on alcohol ---because one thing is certain. At Christmas I shall damage a few bottles of Merlot and totally destroy some M&S mince pies. To hell with it.

Many many thanks for all your responses.
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I asked you to clarify because you seemed to be suggesting that being told that 'bread, potatoes, rice, pastry, pasta' are bad for you as a diabetic was wrong, and represented some sort of 'Big Pharma' 'voodoo medicine' which was intended to 'manipulate' you into 'buying test strips'. That would also imply that eating bread, potatoes, rice, pastry, pasta is Ok for T2 diabetics, and that you shouldn't have to test your blood sugars regularly. If this isn't what you mean, it would be helpful if you could say so.
 
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