I Miss My Bananas

Australiadiabetic2

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since i got recently diagnosed i miss eating my 12 bananas a day

I used to have a banana in white bread with a lot of butter .....mmmmm... yummmm

I would have my normal dinner about 6pm ( usually hamburger and fries) and about 10pm white bread loads of butter and bananas maybe about 2 or 3 sandwiches and a cup of tea

I feel like breakfast i had a banana on toast , instead of this rubbish vegies i have to eat nowadays
 

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Oh bb i love bacon and eggs for morning breakfast but i think its off the list now i got diagnosed with type 2,

Bacon sandwiches are my favourite yummmmmm

And i have been looking at the ketogenic diet
 

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No way mate.. fill your boots..breakfast (well usually lunch for me) of champions.. why did you think you should avoid it?
Its the carbs to avoid not real food White bread and bananas are full of carbs eggs and bacon virtually none.
 
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since i got recently diagnosed i miss eating my 12 bananas a day

I used to have a banana in white bread with a lot of butter .....mmmmm... yummmm

I would have my normal dinner about 6pm ( usually hamburger and fries) and about 10pm white bread loads of butter and bananas maybe about 2 or 3 sandwiches and a cup of tea

I feel like breakfast i had a banana on toast , instead of this rubbish vegies i have to eat nowadays
Welcome to the forum @Australiadiabetic2 !
I take it you are Type 2 then after all those bananas and white bread? :)
 
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Tagging @daisy1 for intro info that might help.
 

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@Australiadiabetic2

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it both interesting and useful. Ask as many questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

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Yep, all those bananas have probably been the major culprit in your T2. Full of fructose, which goes straight to the liver where it gets converted to fat that is deposited round the liver. Instant energy source, used by some insulin users to avoid a pending hypo.

As for bacon, zero carbs. Bacon, eggs, mushrooms and a tomato make an excellent breakfast/lunch. It's one of the upsides of a low carb eating plan. Same with butter. Shame about the bread, but low carb versions are available.
 
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Yep, all those bananas have probably been the major culprit in your T2. Full of fructose, which goes straight to the liver where it gets converted to fat that is deposited round the liver. Instant energy source, used by some insulin users to avoid a pending hypo.

As for bacon, zero carbs. Bacon, eggs, mushrooms and a tomato make an excellent breakfast/lunch. It's one of the upsides of a low carb eating plan. Same with butter. Shame about the bread, but low carb versions are available.
Agreed, except that tomatoes are not fructose free. This is from Livestrong: "A medium whole ripe tomato provides 4.8 grams of carbs, with 1.5 grams of fiber, 1.5 grams of glucose and 1.7 grams of fructose." For this reason, more than a slice of tomato is on Dr Bernstein's NO NO list.
 

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At least you have stopped eating all those bananas and white bread! As long as you continue with this and replace with low carb alternatives your blood sugars will come down pretty drastically! Well done for cutting them out!

Agreed, except that tomatoes are not fructose free. This is from Livestrong: "A medium whole ripe tomato provides 4.8 grams of carbs, with 1.5 grams of fiber, 1.5 grams of glucose and 1.7 grams of fructose." For this reason, more than a slice of tomato is on Dr Bernstein's NO NO list.

I disagree unless you are trying to cut out carbs entirely. If the OP cuts out the bananas and white bread it is entirely possible his insulin sensitivity will return and he will be once again be able to tolerate the amount of carbs in a healthy low carb (but not zero fibre is important. If, they do not see a huge decrease in sugar levels then would be the time to go a bit more extreme.
 

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Agreed, except that tomatoes are not fructose free. This is from Livestrong: "A medium whole ripe tomato provides 4.8 grams of carbs, with 1.5 grams of fiber, 1.5 grams of glucose and 1.7 grams of fructose." For this reason, more than a slice of tomato is on Dr Bernstein's NO NO list.

I agree they are not fructose free, which is why they are in the fruit group, not the veg group. However, 1.7g of fructose is minuscule, and most of us can cope with 3.3g carbs.
 

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At least you have stopped eating all those bananas and white bread! As long as you continue with this and replace with low carb alternatives your blood sugars will come down pretty drastically! Well done for cutting them out!



I disagree unless you are trying to cut out carbs entirely. If the OP cuts out the bananas and white bread it is entirely possible his insulin sensitivity will return and he will be once again be able to tolerate the amount of carbs in a healthy low carb (but not zero fibre is important. If, they do not see a huge decrease in sugar levels then would be the time to go a bit more extreme.
I didn't offer any advice, just facts.
 

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and Dr. Bernsteins opinions don't forget. ;)
I meant, it is a fact that Livestrong and Dr B made these statements, that tomatoes are not carb or fructose free and so not in the same category as bacon. I do not offer them as MY opinions. I am not qualified to have opinions on these technical matters.

@Bluetit1802 you say, "Full of fructose, which goes straight to the liver where it gets converted to fat that is deposited round the liver". What are your sources for this "opinion?"
 
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I agree they are not fructose free, which is why they are in the fruit group, not the veg group. However, 1.7g of fructose is minuscule, and most of us can cope with 3.3g carbs.
Anyone trying to keep to Dr B's diet and consuming only 6g carbs for breakfast will think carefully before using up 3.3g on a tomato.
 
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I meant, it is a fact that Livestrong and Dr B made these statements, that tomatoes are not carb or fructose free and so not in the same category as bacon. I do not offer them as MY opinions. I am not qualified to have opinions on these technical matters.

@Bluetit1802 you say, "Full of fructose, which goes straight to the liver where it gets converted to fat that is deposited round the liver". What are your sources for this "opinion?"

This is the simplest to understand. A very quick Google will throw up a lot more.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/fructose-fatty-liver-sugar-toxin

Anyone trying to keep to Dr B's diet and consuming only 6g carbs for breakfast will think carefully before using up 3.3g on a tomato.

Does Dr B allow bacon and eggs? Virtually zero carbs there, so a tomato plus some mushrooms fried in butter could easily be added, and still not come to 6g.