i need intravenous

jamesmeth

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I need intravenous food
I cant keep track of my sugar
it is rising and dropping from 4 to 9 in one day without warning
only intravenous food can treat my diabetes
I cant monitor my diabetes any other way
Please help me do a campaign to be allowed to use intravenous food
There are people who are in comas for years after being hit by cars
and they never get diabetes.
Please help me with this
 

JoKalsbeek

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I need intravenous food
I cant keep track of my sugar
it is rising and dropping from 4 to 9 in one day without warning
only intravenous food can treat my diabetes
I cant monitor my diabetes any other way
Please help me do a campaign to be allowed to use intravenous food
There are people who are in comas for years after being hit by cars
and they never get diabetes.
Please help me with this
Couple of things here:

Why can't you keep track? What medication are you on? Have you tried a low carb diet? Why do you think intravenous food will help? Most of that usually consists of carbohydrates, they'd make your bloodsugar skyrocket, while it's pretty much okay from the look of it now... It's a bit of a drastic measure that probably wouldn't actually help you. Where did you get this idea?

Better to see what's going wrong with the diabetes management, and see what can get fixed there. But honestly, if you're hovering between 4 and 9.... I'm not seeing very bad numbers. Bloodsugars fluctuate throughout the day, that's normal. If you're thinking a constant influx of food would be better, it would not be. You're supposed to go up and down, give your pancreas a break every now and again, not keep it working continuously.

Maybe read the Diabetes code by Dr. Jason Fung? That might be helpful?
 

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@jamesmeth those numbers look reasonable. Are you on any medication?
 
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Fluctuating between 4 and 9 is normal for someone without diabetes.
Everyone's BG rises after eating carbs.

Feeding yourself intravenously seems extreme - what makes you think it would make monitoring (or do you mean managing) your diabetes better?
 

Rokaab

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There are people who are in comas for years after being hit by cars
and they never get diabetes.
However neither do lot of people who eat loads of carbs, sugars, energy drinks etc.
And yes agreeing with @helensaramay it seems a bit extreme
 
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Another shout out for The Diabetes Code. Essential reading for any T2.

James, it seems as though you may need to take a step back and breathe :)
 

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Long term feeding without eating isnt as simple as having liquids intravenously, it involves a permenant percutaneous endoscopic gastronomy (PEG) tube being inserted through the stomach wall. The proceedure is usually used in end of life care, coma care and post stroke care where the patient is unable to swallow - if you have a google of PEG feeding, you can see some of the issues and dangers.
Sure managing diabetes is a right royal pain in the bum and infinately confusing / frustrating, but there is not really any safe ‘simple’ alternative and establishing a management stategy to manage diabetes can be infinately rewarding / empowering
 

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Long term feeding without eating isnt as simple as having liquids intravenously, it involves a permenant percutaneous endoscopic gastronomy (PEG) tube being inserted through the stomach wall. The proceedure is usually used in end of life care, coma care and post stroke care where the patient is unable to swallow - if you have a google of PEG feeding, you can see some of the issues and dangers

Just to clarify, PEG feeding is done via a tube which goes directly through the skin into the stomach. Intravenous feeding as the name suggest is via a vein, a large vein in the case of long term feeding, not your regular drip in the arm type.
Neither of these methods of feeding are suitable for the OP who I am assuming is conscious and physically able to eat ‘normal’ food.
 

Boo1979

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Just to clarify, PEG feeding is done via a tube which goes directly through the skin into the stomach. Intravenous feeding as the name suggest is via a vein, a large vein in the case of long term feeding, not your regular drip in the arm type.
Neither of these methods of feeding are suitable for the OP who I am assuming is conscious and physically able to eat ‘normal’ food.
I may well be wrong, but when the medics were suggesting asissted feeding for my mum after her first stroke where she was unable to swallow, their posision was that PEG was the only option problem became long term - an NG tube was ok for short term use but was too sisk for longer term use. Big IV tubes were never mentioned.
Either way we refused PEG due to the risks and 4 years later mum is happily eating solid foods
 
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Rachox

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I may well be wrong, but when the medics were suggesting asissted feeding for my mum after her first stroke where she was unable to swallow, their posision was that PEG was the only option problem became long term - an NG tube was ok for short term use but was too sisk for longer term use. Big IV tubes were never mentioned.
Either way we refused PEG due to the risks and 4 years later mum is happily eating solid foods
Long term intravenous feeding is for people with gut problems (crohns or ulcerative colitis for example), when food via the digestive system is not possible. As you say in your Mum’s case it was purely because she had trouble swallowing. I’m glad to hear your Mum recovered well.
I was just wanting to clarify that neither method of feeding is suitable for the OP
 

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My only experience of this is my grandpa who tore his oesophagus and did not want to risk an op at his elderly years. This meant he had to hook himself up to a drip twice daily which took a long while to get into him and left him miserable and missing crunchy things.
I think the OPs main symptom is anxiety rather than bg control. If this was a serious post then please get some help with that. Not that any medic is going to enable this idea in any case.
 

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@jamesmeth
Hello James and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

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Hi @jamesmeth, From diabetes and life experience, not as professional advice or opinion:
You do not fit any of the criteria on any of the sites I looked at regarding those suitable for IV feeding.


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