Interested in Keto

Canada75

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Hello,

I just joined this forum and this is my first post.
I am looking into the Keto diet and wondering if it is safe as I am worried about how my body will react to it.
I am 42 years old type 1.5 diabetic last A1C was 7.2 6' and 188 lbs .
Any advice or if you can put me in the right location of similar questions or posts.
Thanks
 
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LouWilk059

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Welcome to the forum! Here's a link that should provide some answers for you.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/keto/

@daisy1 will be along shortly to provide newbie information.

You might want to chat with @bulkbiker as he is quite knowledgeable about keto.
 

daisy1

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@Canada75

Hello Canada75 and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you want and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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bulkbiker

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I'd second what @justbe says. He's far more qualified to speak about insulin use and keto than me.
 

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Hello! I’d heartily recommend it, I started keto a couple of months ago and after the first tricky few days, feel great on it. My HbA1c has gone from 89 to 50, and I’ve more than halved my insulin requirements. Turn out I didn’t need nearly as much of our miracle drug as I thought, I’d spent twenty years injecting a huge amount and then feeding it with carbs.

In the early days, you may find yourself having a fair few hypos, so make sure you keep glucose tablets on you at all times. Keep them everywhere!

There are quite a few of us T1s doing keto on here, I’m sure they’ll be along soon x
 

Canada75

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Hello,

Thanks for all the excellent replies and feedback!

I still doing some more research on this lifestyle and I have some questions about medication.

Once started I am looking at limiting my carbs to 50 g . Should I start at this amount or start at higher carbs ie 100 g?

The medication I am currently on is :
Tuojeo - Currently on ~ 70 units at night and would lower to ~ 35 -40 units on LCHF
Glumetza - 500MG - Sounds like not much concern of this drug lower BS on LCHF.
Januvia - 100MG -Sounds like not much concern of this drug lower BS on LCHF.
Micardis Plus 92.5 mg for Blood Pressure - Sounds like this could cause low blood pressure on LCHF.
Lexcol XL 80MG for cholesterol -Sounds like not much concern of this drug lower BS on LCHF.

Any advice on medication would be helpfully.

Thanks again.
 

Canada75

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Another question I have from the Diet Doctor
One word of warning though: A strict low carb diet results in ketosis, a normal physiological state. A very strict low-carb diet that also restricts protein to moderate amounts can result in quite high, but still physiological, ketone levels (>1.5 mmol/L).

This is fine for healthy people, but in type 1 diabetes this means you’re uncomfortably close to ketoacidosis (usually at least 10-15 mmol/L). All that’s needed then is forgetting an insulin shot or two, or an insulin pump malfunction, and you might end up very sick in the hospital.



How do I test for this ? Any can anyone expand on the comments from the DD?

Thanks
 

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As long as you keep on top of your sugar levels, it’s not a problem. You can measure either urine with keto sticks (not very accurate but a useful guide as to whether you’re producing ketones) or blood - most meters have the facility to measure ketones if you put the right strip in - you should be able to get either or both of these on prescription.

I usually run between 1 and 2.5mmol, if that’s any help. It’s keeping my sugars lovely and stable :) Hypos, which are very rare now, come on much more slowly and are easily dealt with with a dextrose tab or two. Highs are also much slower to occur, and again, can be nipped in the bud with a unit or two before they get out of hand. It’s a great way to get off the sugar rollercoaster.
 
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Canada75

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Perfect and great information.

Do you have any suggestions for medication?

Thanks
 

LooperCat

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We’re not medics, so can’t advise you on meds. That’s something you’d need to discuss with your care team. If you lower your carb intake, you’ll need to lower your insulin. Are you comfortable adjusting your doses yourself?